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Australia's first female PM has perfect response to tired anti-trans question (www.thepinknews.com)
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[–] 71 points 3 years ago (16 children)

gender-critical activist

Well, that is taking trivializing transphobia to a whole new level. What's next, calling fascists "democracy-critical activists"?

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    We already call them alt-right

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    Fair enough. I always perceived the term 'alt right' more of an umbrella term for 'gender-critical', 'democracy-critical' and 'all-that's-not-hardcore-conservative-chistian-critical' 'activists' though.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I was just dunking on the alt right, lol. You’re right that “gender critical” is as misleadingly propagandized as “pro-life,“ especially since it absolutely sounded like what I was before my egg cracked- I can absolutely imagine someone trying to find answers about themselves, reading terf bigotry, and getting forced way back into the closet to become the trans version of the “everyone gets crushes on their friends” lady.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago*

    I can absolutely imagine someone trying to find answers about themselves, reading terf bigotry, and getting forced way back into the closet to become the trans version of the “everyone gets crushes on their friends” lady.

    That's a sad image. I personally feel quite privileged by having grown up in a relatively (for the time and location) queer-friendly environment and now living in a quite accepting bubble (including my employer, coworkers, family and friends), yet I consider myself an egg that's not guaranteed to hatch due to personal insecurities and stuff.
    I can't imagine how tough and gut wrenching it must be to not be this privileged and wonder about the things I do.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    the “everyone gets crushes on their friends” lady.

    Is that a reference to someone in particular?

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah. Don't call them gender critical. They're not critical of gender, they're critical of your gender. Imo you can believe that behaviors and personalities shouldn't be linked to someone's genitals while still being supportive of trans and non-binary folks. That's not what these people are doing, however. If anything, they're reinforcing it.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago

    The "Gender Critical" crowd has long been a large crowd of trolls who just love sealioning their way into communities and gaslighting people into doubting themselves.

    I speak from experience; I'm a former moderator of /r/Genderqueer.

    Best thing to do is to ignore their questions and deplatform them. They're no better than your average transphobe who hides their phobia behind "just asking questions" and "peaceful debate"

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    There's an argument in favor of using the expression they chose. It taints it. They can say TERF is a slur, but, if the discussion about how horrible and wrong they are uses gender critical, they lose one deflection and anyone interested in the subject will see negative results in their research.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    TERF is literally the term they chose. They don't get to change it to something else now that people are on to their bullshit.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    As a trans-inclusive radical feminist sick of radical feminism being tainted by their bullshit, I strongly disagree. Let them pick a new name showing how far they’ve strayed from the feminist ideal that biology shouldn’t determine destiny.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I hear "TERF," and my attention goes to the bit on "Trans-exclusive". Never gave the "Radical feminism" bit much thought.

    And before TERFs became a thing, it was just radical feminism. Having to modify it with "trans exclusive" suggests that inclusivity is actually the default position.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    Except how often do you hear about radical feminists who aren’t TERFs anywhere in mainstream discourse? For much of the population, TERFs are the only “radical feminists” they hear about. (I reject the idea that a belief that biology is destiny as compatible with feminism in any case.). It’s not so much people in this community I worry about getting the wrong idea, it’s everywhere else.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    I disagree. TERF is not a slur, nor is cis. If someone chooses to be offended by a term that is not offensive in any way, it's not my fault. 'Gender-critical activist' is nothing but trivialization, and if we start to use it, it gets validated.

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    • [–] 47 points 3 years ago

    She gives a remarkably classy and well articulated answer that shows she has actually thought about the issue. And the AU news headlines it as her "floundering".

    Propaganda. That's what that original headline from the AU article linked in the PinkNews article is.

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    [–] 24 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Don’t bother reading the rest of this article, the daily mail is a trash rag owned by murdoch. But here’s the only actual video I could find: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12451613/julia-gillard-woman.html#v-5451421088084411777

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