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[–] 189 points 2 years ago

Oh no, now we have to ban them all?? What a shame!

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  • [–] 103 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    But you can't charge me with murder! That guy committed it too!

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    selective enforcement of the law is a real issue. One of the reasons Donald Trump will likely never go to jail is the failure to prosecute nixon, reagan (iran contra, iran hostage crisis meddling), and Bush/Cheney(wmd fiasco)

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    And one of the reasons POC are more likely go to jail (or even gets shot) for something a white man would be let free with only a warning… At least in the “free” land.

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  • [+] 82 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (29 children)
  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago (26 children)

    Legally it is a very good argument. A law targeting a single company in name or effect is literally unconstitutional. It's called a "Bill of Attainder".

    The counter argument is indicting Facebook because they never stopped selling information directly to the CCP.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (12 children)

    Cool, let's ban Temu then. Nothing of value will be lost.

    In all honesty though, I disagree with banning software, and that includes TikTok. I think it's a terrible platform and I refuse to use it, but I think we need to solve the underlying problem another way, otherwise we're just picking and choosing what speech is allowed in this country. The Constitution doesn't only protect American citizens, it protects everyone.

    That said, if we're going to ban one, let's ban them all. These apps haven't provided any tangible value IMO and they've arguably caused a fair amount of harm, so I'm not going to die on a hill defending them.

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    [+] 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    It's time to start taxing the acquisition, retention, and selling/trading of personal data.

    Actually, that time was 40 years ago.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    ohhh data collection taxation, I like it. You would think it would be a no-brainer but look at marijuana taxation and the continued resistance to rake in all that public funding. Would make most of the controversy around AI disappear if they tax it's collection.

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago

    US tech companies too, you fucking cowards.

    Facebook paid kids to install a VPN client on their smartphones so they could intercept AND DECRYPT traffic between competing services (like Snapchat, Amazon, Youtube)

    facebook and any other company they acquire (or however they try to rebrand) are not only untrustworthy but active adversaries against common decency and basic privacy

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    America selectively caring about privacy.

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    The concern isn’t that these companies have microtargeting data. The concern is about what these companies could use that data for.

    An off-brand t-shirt site would be a fairly ineffective vehicle for political propaganda. Tik Tok would be great at that.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    TikTok is correct. Ban them all.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    While i dislike tiktok as much as the next one, please do temu first. Temu might actually be the downfall of our planet that is already falling down the stairs pretty hard.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago*

    I knew someone who got caught up in their pyramid marketing scheme. The prizes were some low quality shit. The watch they won got badly scratched and the wristband's pin fell off the same day from regular use. It was pretty funny watching it disintegrate in real time.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    They're right, we should regulate or ban then too.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    So ban them too

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Is tiktok saying that all Chinese apps that steal our data are also stealing our data because they were designed to steal our data?!

    I am SHOCKED.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I generally think that TikTok sucks but do agree with this argument. It’s silly to say that domestic companies can be evil but foreign ones no.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    That's not a silly argument if your argument is about national security. For the exact same reason, China blocks almost all western apps. It gives a potential route for whatever nation is considered hostile to influence your population, and TikTok has actually activated this influence at least once directly. They tried to activate their users to protest congress from passing laws restricting them.

    Basically, they have the ability to influence users, and they also have the will to do so as they've already shown. In what world eould they not be a national security threat? It's also really hard for me to accept this argument from a Chinese company when China has the great firewall to "protect" it'd citizens from outside influence.

    You can argue that it is not to benefit the citizens and rather just the state, which is fair. You can't reasonably argue that the state has nothing to fear.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Like Temu?

    You mean like facebook and twitter.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    No, they love those, since that data goes to the US government instead of to the CCP

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    that data goes to the US government instead of to the CCP

    Going to blow people's minds when they find out Temu data also goes to the US government and Facebook data also goes to the CCP.

    This shit is just a commodity. It's auctioned off at the bid rate. The NSA doesn't just lay claim to this data, it buys it. And these Big Data companies are only handing it over because of the absurd margins NSA (and MI5 and the rest of the Five Eyes) directors are willing to pay.

    Your data isn't any safer because the parent company is owned by a foreign plutocrat. This is a big club and you ain't in it.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    This is a good point actually. That's almost like trying to ban Naruto because it's Japanese, but not banning Dragonball Z. We'l see where this goes. If they would enforce these law equally it wouldn't be as much of a concern. Overall, whether they ban TikTok or not, if as a user you don't like a said platform, just don't use it.

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  • [+] 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    They desperately need to do something about car software before China starts being really relevant here in EVs too.

    I absolutely support massively restricting what anyone can gather, not just China, (and the same for social media/ad networks/retailers), but it's fundamentally not the same threat as data vacuums controlled by an enemy state.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    TikTok literally got people to commit check fraud

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    TilTok likely got my car stolen (Hyundai vulnerability trended on TikTok)

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago*

    That's Hyundai/Kia's fault though. For whatever reason, they cheaped out and didn't include an immobilizer in 2011-2022 models (meaning the cars don't actually verify that there's a key in it, so you can just remove the key hole and turn the ignition with a screwdriver or USB cable or whatever to start it).

    Before TikTok, this would have just spread on different platforms...

    I'm not defending TikTok though.

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    Please ban them, I beg of you, please...

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    Temu isn't a social media network that has been known to boost specific narratives with their algorithm. The U.S. isn't saying that China can't sell and market to the American audience, just that they'll need a supervisor if they want to mess with media.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    I mean. Why not?

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Fisher said that Americans have a "fundamental interest" in working with the publisher or editor of their choice

    Bruh. Did you really just throw away all of your Section 230 protections?

    Game on, motherfucker.

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