submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
 

List of icons/services suggested:

  • Calibre
  • Jitsi
  • Kiwix
  • Monero (Node)
  • Nextcloud
  • Pihole
  • Ollama (Should at least be able to run tiny-llama 1.1B)
  • Open Media Vault
  • Syncthing
  • VLC Media Player Media Server

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[–] 133 points 2 years ago* (34 children)

Y'all laugh but I'm getting into Linux and dusted off an old i7 laptop with 16gb of RAM. Slapped a $40 512GB ssd and linux mint on it to get into !selfhost@lemmy.ml!

...then promptly forgot about the laptop

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  • [+] 108 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (22 children)
  • [–] 76 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Intel has been on the i3, i5, i7 naming scheme for a while though. I think the oldest ones are probably ~15 years old at this point.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It could be as old as 15 years... If someone bought a species out i7 laptop in 2009 they may have upgraded it to 16gb at some point. Seems realistic enough

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Please stop. I'm only in my 30s but you're making me feel like I'm 80. To me, old is a 386 with 4MB of RAM, a 40MB hard drive, Windows 3.1, and a turbo button. Audio was limited to a single channel square wave courtesy of the PC speaker, cause sound cards were expensive.

    Or if you want to really talk old in the personal computing realm, then we'll have to start bring up companies like Commodore, Atari, and Radio Shack. But their computers were before my time.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well personal computing just moved faster back then. Today, a decent computer from 10 years ago (2014) is perfectly usable for most people (with an SSD especially). But in 2010 if you had a top of the line computer that was from 2000 it was basically garbage. If you had a computer from 1990 in the year 2000 it was practically ancient history.

    The PC market just has plateaud for everyday use. We just see incremental performance improvements for enthusiasts/professionals and little more than power draw improvements for everyone else.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    "Old laptop" has a Core 2 Duo and 4GB of DDR2 RAM.

    It also has a better keyboard with plenty of travel, on-the-go replaceable battery, easily accessible components likely to get replaced/upgraded/cleaned, large cooler, large selection of I/O, has higher likelihood to survive 2 more years than a brand new laptop and it can be used as a weapon or anchor.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    My current laptop is an i7 with 16 GB of RAM. Hardware requirements have plateaued pretty hard unless your trying to run something that requires the latest GPU.

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  • [–] [S] 83 points 2 years ago

    Heres the template if anyone wants it

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  • [–] 62 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Know what? Fine. I'll try Linux again. Tired of watching my craptop sit at 100% disk usage for 10 minutes before it starts responding. Mint is good to start with, ye?

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Linux Mint cinnamon is gold standard for quality IMO. All my modern systems that can comfortably run it do.

    That said it also uses more resources than your old craptop may like depending on just how old we are talking about.

    If cinammon is a little slow, try mint xfce. Its a lot lighter on system resources. Last time i tried xfce it was a great performance compromise if a little unpolished in places.

    If Mint xfce is also too slow you can give MX Linux a whirl. Its way faster and more minimal that mint out of the box. Yet it feels modern and allows you to install all the same programs as mint from the default software repo including flatpaks. MX fluxbox is probably as minimal as you would want to get. Try their flagship xfce first.

    If you are trying to beat new life into a 25 year old dying dinosaur Puppy Linux will do it, but you won't enjoy using it.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    For a server for hosting services like in this meme? I always go Debian. Incredibly stable.

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    [–] 49 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Middle right panel is a cock and balls. (OP is into needle play.)

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Ollama on a ten year old laptop? Lol, maybe at 1T/s for an 8B.

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  • [–] [S] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    tinyllama 1.1b would probably run reasonably fast. Dumb as a rock for sure. But hey its a start! My 2015 t460 thinkpad laptop with an i7 6600U 2.6GhZ duo core was able to do llama 3.1 8B at 1.2T-1.7T/s which while definitely slow at about a word per second. Still, was also just fast enough to have fun in real time with conversation.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Than what are the minimal specs to run ollama (llama3 8b or preferably 27b) at a decent speed?

    I have an old pc that now runs my plex and arr suite. Was thinking of upgrading it a bit and running ollama on it as well. It doesn't have a gpu, so what else does it need? I don't have a big budget, so no new nvidia card for me.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

    "decent speed" depends on your subjective opinion and what you want it to do. I think its fair to say if it can generate text around your slowest tolerable reading speed thats a bare minimum for real time conversational things. If you want a task done and don't mind stepping away to get a coffee it can be much slower.

    I was pleasantly suprised to get anything at all working on an old laptop. When thinking of AI my mind imagines super computers and thousand dollar rigs and data centers. I don't think mobile computers like my thinkpad. But sure enough the technology is there and your old POS can adopt a powerful new tool if you have realistic expectations on matching model capacity with specs.

    Tiny llama will work on a smartphone but its dumb. llama3.1 8B is very good and will work on modest hardware but you may have to be patient with it if especially if your laptop wasn't top of the line when it was made 10 years ago. Then theres all the models in between.

    The i7 6600U duo core 2.6ghz CPU in my laptop trying to run 8B was jusst barely enough to be passing grade for real time talking needs at 1.2-1.7 T/s it could say a short word or half of a complex one per second. When it needed to process something or recalculate context it took a hot minute or two.

    That got kind of annoying if you were getting into what its saying. Bumping the PC up to a AMD ryzen 5 2600 6 core CPU was a night and day difference. It spits out a sentence very quick faster than my average reading speed at 5-6 t/s. Im still working on getting the 4GB RX 580 GPU used for offloading so those numbers are just with the CPU bump. RAM also matters DDR6 will beat DDR4 speed wise.

    Heres a tip, most software has the models default context size set at 512, 2048, or 4092. Part of what makes llama 3.1 so special is that it was trained with 128k context so bump that up to 131072 in the settings so it isnt recalculating context every few minutes..

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    What is the list of software?

    I see:

    • Calibre

    • Pihole

    • FreeNAS (?) - Now TrueNAS

    • Nextcloud

    • Jitsi

    • Monero - I'm guessing just a node, rather than mining.

    • Ollama

    • VLC Media Player

    • Syncthing

    Edit: Kiwix

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Haven't shot up on FOSS in over a week and the withdrawals are getting bad

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    For me, the worst part of setting up some new distro or service is when it's done and everything works. Then it just... Sits there. Working. Usually at some task I don't need very often. Very anticlimactic and boring. Then I have to find some other new thing to try, which is why my HTPC has been through like 4 distros in the past year.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    I love this lol. I see you added some buds and joints for the computer to smoke, very kind of you.

    Edit: or maybe that was added with a previous edit to the comic?? Now I'm not sure.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I love this new twist on this template

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    team Syncthing

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I installed Debian 12 on my 14yo Pentium E5400 PC with 4GB RAM. I have installed on it: Pi-Hole, Jellyfin, Deluge, Grocy, Heimdall, HortusFox, Inventree, Portainer, Radicale, Speedtest Tracker, Trilium, WatchYourLan. Also have various samba shares. In the last year I have learnt a lot of server/Docker stuff, my server is not connected to Internet though. It's been fun. I have had luck watching some HD videos through Jellyfin but others totally spike processor load avg. to 20 when normal values is 0.2, lol.

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    [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I just put GNU/Linux on a Celeron II 4 core single threaded CPU. It's running along fine. I didn't even have a use case, but just felt bad to let the old technology go to waste. This was within the last two weeks.

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    [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Literally waiting on a friend to give me their laptop for this purpose lol

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    My orange pi zero 3 hosting nextdns via docker:

    (It's like nothing is happening at all -- under 1W power draw go brrr)

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