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[–] [email protected] 145 points 5 months ago (7 children)

One of the painful things about having studied philosophy is experiencing the fact that nearly everyone on the Internet are absolutely sure having read a few paragraphs about the topic makes them an expert.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I hope that one day people can call themselves philosophers without feeling cringey, because the world finally understands and respects it.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I think everyone with a niche skill experiences that to some extent. Almost all posts about mathematics on lemmy attract people acting like they understand what’s going on while making wrong claims lol, I only rarely see comments that are fully correct.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Yeah I expect climate change scientists would roll their eyes pretty hard at my post as well =)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hey, I'll have you know that I've read TWO paragraphs!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Shit! We got an expert here! ;-)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Same with studying anything and then seeing it mentioned on the internet.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

You're right! I read a few paragraphs about this.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I’m an engineer myself, and even I can see that the take on philosophy here is really unnecessarily disparaging, and doesn’t even really fit well into the joke due to a rather meaningful lack of pertinence.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Astronomy is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat by analyzing the raw image data of several insanely sensitive cameras, then finding out what the cat looks like, what it looked like right after birth, where it'll be next year and what its gut microbiome consists of, based on a slight reddish hue in its fur.

Alternatively: Astronomy is like being in a dark room and saying "Something seems off. There must be a black cat in here."

[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There are certain behaviors of ordinary cats which can only be explained by the presence of "dark cats".

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Voids, one might say.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Lol, all of those are philosophies. Philosophy isn't separate to science, or theology, of whatever. It's the bigger group they're all part of.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

The meme's accurate in that sense. All the others are also in a dark room looking for a black cat.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You can put an exclamation point in front of the link to get the image directly

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

![](https://xkcd.com/435/)

You can embed the image, but I think you need to use the image link, rather than the comic page link:

![](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/purity.png)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

While true, be advised that some consider it rude to hotlink images without permission

Edit: as pointed out below, Randall gives permission to hotlink/embed on each comic page.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

The most useful branches of philosophy are important enough we’ve given them other names like “math” and “science”.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

This meme is making these different disciplines answer questions they were never intended to answer. It's like complaining that a school principal isn't out there teaching students: that's not their role and it would be silly to expect them to do otherwise.

Philosophers would ask something like, "what is a cat?"

Metaphysicians would ask something like, "how can we know that the cat truly exists?"

Theologians would ask something like, "what does the Bible say about cats?"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The categories themselves also show his ignorance.

Metaphysics is a sub-discipline of Philosophy.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

I love The Oatmeal, but yeah, this one's a miss

[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Remember, who made the flashlight for the scientist? The philosopher.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The amount of "science fans" dismissing philosophy is ridiculous

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I don't see this as being dismissive of philosophy at all. Science has always stood on the shoulders of philosophy. In the context of the meme, it established the possibility of the black cat existing. It's the baseline. Science then used tools to test the idea, while metaphysics and theology are off somewhere making unfalsifiable claims.

Judging by some of the responses, I'm in the minority with this interpretation.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

If it puts us in a minority to regard scientific achievement as owing a debt of gratitude to epistemology and empiricism, not to mention ethics and countless other branches of study that cannot be taken for granted, then so be it. To take science on its own as merely a self evident and wholly objective practice solely fit for solving problems and creating better technologies is as boring as it is anti intellectual.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

This meme is highly misinformed about how any of these academic subjects work though. (Meta)physicists and theologists don’t make claims, they research the consequences of certain assumptions. Most elementary sciences work that way.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Metaphysics isn't looking for a black cat that isn't there. It's assuming that there is a black cat even though there might not be one, because flashlights don't exist yet.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago

Engineering is crinkling the treat bag so the cat comes to you.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Science is more like systematically searching the room while exhaustively documenting all findings to define every place the cat wasn’t, as well as where it was. Then you release the cat and do it several more times. Then you invite your peers to come in the room and try to achieve the same results, comparing their findings with yours, so everyone can have a better chance of finding the cat in future attempts.

Science isn’t easy. It is precise because it is tediously thorough.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But observing the cat with the flashlight fundamentally affects the cat.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

The cat both has and hasn't knocked something breakable off a counter or table before you enter the room.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

tbf, being in a dark room with no flashlight will give you lots of undistracted free time to work through complex problems and ideas. The presence of a cat in there with you is largely irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

If the cat comes over and let's me pet it then I can think better

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I work in an underground mine and sometimes when I'm waiting for someone to come pick me up, I torn my cap lamp off and sit on a rock. It's the darkest dark you can imagine. No shadows, no pin pricks of light just your thoughts. All you can hear is the sound of moving air and the occasionally the rock moving.

It's genuinely peaceful and so so relaxing. Definitely had some philosophical moments down there

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Could it be me who doesnt know what metaphysics is? No, a whole sub-field of philosophy is actually useless and none of them see it.

Also hilarious seeing "philosophy" referred to like its a method you can use and not a whole field including everything from ethics, political philosophy, philosophy of religion, epistemology, aesthetics, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

tips fedora

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

What's the one that's in a perfectly lit empty white room, with a decently sized black cat thats covered in arrows flashing towards it with a loud siren blaring from it and signs saying "the cat you are looking for is right here!", who still can't find the cat?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Pseudoscience/conspiracy theories.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Meh. Natural sciences and philosophy/methaphisics are quite closer/more intimately linked than you seem to think.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

To quote my former physics teacher:

If you remove maths from physics you're left with philosophy.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think religion is represented wrong. It should read :

Being in a dark room looking for a black cat, believing that it is there.

I get where the OP is coming from and many religious people have been loud, vocal and hostile recently but it's not a core principle of religion to be that way.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Problem: Can a black cat be found in a dark room?

Hypothesis: yes

Variable: flashlight

Control: no flashlight

Findings: "v" group found the cat; the "c" group didn't.

Theory: You can find a cat in a dark room using a flashlight.

Law: cats land feet first (indisputable)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Physics is like shooting balls at the cat and registering the sounds of pain to draw a shape of the creature. Except that it turns out to be also a dog at the same time

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Philosophy is often more like looking for things that can't be seen with a flashlight but hypothesizing that they must exist and proving it logically.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Philosophy is determining that there is, probably, a cat in the room. And science is using a flashlight to find it.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

philosophy is my single favorite field ever invented.

I fucking love it so much. Some fuckhead somewhere was like "wait, why do things mean things, and what does meaning mean?" and now we have fucking nihilism. Truly an incredible field of scientific discovery.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I don't like this allegory because if the room is perfectly dark the color of the cat doesn't matter, and if there's a bit of light its eyes will glow.

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