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[–] 146 points 2 years ago (7 children)

One of the painful things about having studied philosophy is experiencing the fact that nearly everyone on the Internet are absolutely sure having read a few paragraphs about the topic makes them an expert.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I think everyone with a niche skill experiences that to some extent. Almost all posts about mathematics on lemmy attract people acting like they understand what’s going on while making wrong claims lol, I only rarely see comments that are fully correct.

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    [–] 78 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Astronomy is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat by analyzing the raw image data of several insanely sensitive cameras, then finding out what the cat looks like, what it looked like right after birth, where it'll be next year and what its gut microbiome consists of, based on a slight reddish hue in its fur.

    Alternatively: Astronomy is like being in a dark room and saying "Something seems off. There must be a black cat in here."

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  • [–] 61 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Lol, all of those are philosophies. Philosophy isn't separate to science, or theology, of whatever. It's the bigger group they're all part of.

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    You can put an exclamation point in front of the link to get the image directly

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    This meme is making these different disciplines answer questions they were never intended to answer. It's like complaining that a school principal isn't out there teaching students: that's not their role and it would be silly to expect them to do otherwise.

    Philosophers would ask something like, "what is a cat?"

    Metaphysicians would ask something like, "how can we know that the cat truly exists?"

    Theologians would ask something like, "what does the Bible say about cats?"

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The amount of "science fans" dismissing philosophy is ridiculous

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I don't see this as being dismissive of philosophy at all. Science has always stood on the shoulders of philosophy. In the context of the meme, it established the possibility of the black cat existing. It's the baseline. Science then used tools to test the idea, while metaphysics and theology are off somewhere making unfalsifiable claims.

    Judging by some of the responses, I'm in the minority with this interpretation.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    If it puts us in a minority to regard scientific achievement as owing a debt of gratitude to epistemology and empiricism, not to mention ethics and countless other branches of study that cannot be taken for granted, then so be it. To take science on its own as merely a self evident and wholly objective practice solely fit for solving problems and creating better technologies is as boring as it is anti intellectual.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    This meme is highly misinformed about how any of these academic subjects work though. (Meta)physicists and theologists don’t make claims, they research the consequences of certain assumptions. Most elementary sciences work that way.

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Metaphysics isn't looking for a black cat that isn't there. It's assuming that there is a black cat even though there might not be one, because flashlights don't exist yet.

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    [–] 36 points 2 years ago

    Engineering is crinkling the treat bag so the cat comes to you.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Science is more like systematically searching the room while exhaustively documenting all findings to define every place the cat wasn’t, as well as where it was. Then you release the cat and do it several more times. Then you invite your peers to come in the room and try to achieve the same results, comparing their findings with yours, so everyone can have a better chance of finding the cat in future attempts.

    Science isn’t easy. It is precise because it is tediously thorough.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But observing the cat with the flashlight fundamentally affects the cat.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Could it be me who doesnt know what metaphysics is? No, a whole sub-field of philosophy is actually useless and none of them see it.

    Also hilarious seeing "philosophy" referred to like its a method you can use and not a whole field including everything from ethics, political philosophy, philosophy of religion, epistemology, aesthetics, etc.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    tbf, being in a dark room with no flashlight will give you lots of undistracted free time to work through complex problems and ideas. The presence of a cat in there with you is largely irrelevant.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    I work in an underground mine and sometimes when I'm waiting for someone to come pick me up, I torn my cap lamp off and sit on a rock. It's the darkest dark you can imagine. No shadows, no pin pricks of light just your thoughts. All you can hear is the sound of moving air and the occasionally the rock moving.

    It's genuinely peaceful and so so relaxing. Definitely had some philosophical moments down there

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    tips fedora

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    What's the one that's in a perfectly lit empty white room, with a decently sized black cat thats covered in arrows flashing towards it with a loud siren blaring from it and signs saying "the cat you are looking for is right here!", who still can't find the cat?

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Meh. Natural sciences and philosophy/methaphisics are quite closer/more intimately linked than you seem to think.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think religion is represented wrong. It should read :

    Being in a dark room looking for a black cat, believing that it is there.

    I get where the OP is coming from and many religious people have been loud, vocal and hostile recently but it's not a core principle of religion to be that way.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Physics is like shooting balls at the cat and registering the sounds of pain to draw a shape of the creature. Except that it turns out to be also a dog at the same time

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Problem: Can a black cat be found in a dark room?

    Hypothesis: yes

    Variable: flashlight

    Control: no flashlight

    Findings: "v" group found the cat; the "c" group didn't.

    Theory: You can find a cat in a dark room using a flashlight.

    Law: cats land feet first (indisputable)

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    philosophy is my single favorite field ever invented.

    I fucking love it so much. Some fuckhead somewhere was like "wait, why do things mean things, and what does meaning mean?" and now we have fucking nihilism. Truly an incredible field of scientific discovery.

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Philosophy is often more like looking for things that can't be seen with a flashlight but hypothesizing that they must exist and proving it logically.

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