▲ 863 ▼ German state moving 30,000 PCs to Linux and LibreOffice - The Document Foundation Blog (blog.documentfoundation.org) submitted 2 years ago by testeronious@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml 142 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 54 points 2 years ago (4 children) I hope they do not try to save that money but rather take the opportunity to invest some of it into the open source ecosystem that are now relying on. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] rollingflower@lemmy.kde.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hahaha no way. Im Germany we say "Sparen!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And some lobby bitches say "Schuldenbremse" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ManniSturgis@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To become chancellor you have to swear an oath on the "schwarze Null". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago To become chancellor you have to swear an oath on the “schwarze Null”. that you forgot what you did during the largest tax-scam in history permalink fedilink source parent [–] Norgur@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) That's not how governments work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago That’s still not how governments work It would be nice if it worked like that, but we both know it doesn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] barbara@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago That's called a pareto optimum permalink fedilink source parent [–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago In reality it's gonna be something like: M$ charges 5M €. Libreoffice might be 1M € so they will give 1M € to OSS and waste the remaining 3M € on some overly expensive one-time crap like car infrastructure. Later they will realize that they had understaffed their IT department and will need extra 5M € paid by more state debt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Norgur@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago That, again, is not how governments work. What you depict is how companies work: You save amount X on something, so there are X moneys left to invest in something. Governments work with separated and highly regulated budgets. That is sometimes bullshit, but sometimes necessary to make sure government aids are spent fairly, for example. So: You save amount X on something, you aren't allowed to just give this amount to someone. There has to be either a program, a law, or (most often) an entirely different budget somewhere else that this someone is allowed to receive. So the “trade-off” logic cannot be fulfilled by governments, and it shouldn't be. Think about the myriad of bullshit, money would just be dumped into by the government if this wasn't the case. On top of the myriad of bullshit that already made it through the nets, that is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Contend6248@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Well think again, Germany invests in open source. https://sciencebusiness.net/news/cybersecurity/germany-launch-sovereign-tech-fund-secure-digital-infrastructure The fund will rise with the savings for sure permalink fedilink source parent [+] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And having a government as a significant backer for an open source project is a great recipe for conflicts of interest and general trust erosion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) who else should be a significant backer for an open source project? google? microsoft? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Things get weird as corporations increasingly have power comparable to nation states. But, generally, I would rather a megacorporation than a government. Because megacorps are at least "smart enough" to pretend they aren't trying to take over the world. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. But, in a perfect world? I would rather a wide range of different donors and backers but mostly clustering around maybe fortune 500 companies instead of fortune 10? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Because megacorps are at least “smart enough” to pretend they aren’t trying to take over the world. there are enough examples for corps doing evil things. You hear about them less often, because they cover their tracks and the outcry is generally smaller than when governments do similar things. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. corps justify a lot of horribble shit for financial reasons. Is that better? permalink fedilink source parent [+] sudneo@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago I recall randomly check open source project and some of them has German public funding. permalink fedilink source parent [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I hope your government has an emergency fund. Savings are really important permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rollingflower@lemmy.kde.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hahaha no way. Im Germany we say "Sparen!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And some lobby bitches say "Schuldenbremse" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ManniSturgis@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To become chancellor you have to swear an oath on the "schwarze Null". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago To become chancellor you have to swear an oath on the “schwarze Null”. that you forgot what you did during the largest tax-scam in history permalink fedilink source parent
[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And some lobby bitches say "Schuldenbremse" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ManniSturgis@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To become chancellor you have to swear an oath on the "schwarze Null". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago To become chancellor you have to swear an oath on the “schwarze Null”. that you forgot what you did during the largest tax-scam in history permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ManniSturgis@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To become chancellor you have to swear an oath on the "schwarze Null". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago To become chancellor you have to swear an oath on the “schwarze Null”. that you forgot what you did during the largest tax-scam in history permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago To become chancellor you have to swear an oath on the “schwarze Null”. that you forgot what you did during the largest tax-scam in history permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Norgur@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) That's not how governments work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago That’s still not how governments work It would be nice if it worked like that, but we both know it doesn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] barbara@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago That's called a pareto optimum permalink fedilink source parent [–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago In reality it's gonna be something like: M$ charges 5M €. Libreoffice might be 1M € so they will give 1M € to OSS and waste the remaining 3M € on some overly expensive one-time crap like car infrastructure. Later they will realize that they had understaffed their IT department and will need extra 5M € paid by more state debt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Norgur@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago That, again, is not how governments work. What you depict is how companies work: You save amount X on something, so there are X moneys left to invest in something. Governments work with separated and highly regulated budgets. That is sometimes bullshit, but sometimes necessary to make sure government aids are spent fairly, for example. So: You save amount X on something, you aren't allowed to just give this amount to someone. There has to be either a program, a law, or (most often) an entirely different budget somewhere else that this someone is allowed to receive. So the “trade-off” logic cannot be fulfilled by governments, and it shouldn't be. Think about the myriad of bullshit, money would just be dumped into by the government if this wasn't the case. On top of the myriad of bullshit that already made it through the nets, that is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Contend6248@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Well think again, Germany invests in open source. https://sciencebusiness.net/news/cybersecurity/germany-launch-sovereign-tech-fund-secure-digital-infrastructure The fund will rise with the savings for sure permalink fedilink source parent [+] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And having a government as a significant backer for an open source project is a great recipe for conflicts of interest and general trust erosion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) who else should be a significant backer for an open source project? google? microsoft? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Things get weird as corporations increasingly have power comparable to nation states. But, generally, I would rather a megacorporation than a government. Because megacorps are at least "smart enough" to pretend they aren't trying to take over the world. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. But, in a perfect world? I would rather a wide range of different donors and backers but mostly clustering around maybe fortune 500 companies instead of fortune 10? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Because megacorps are at least “smart enough” to pretend they aren’t trying to take over the world. there are enough examples for corps doing evil things. You hear about them less often, because they cover their tracks and the outcry is generally smaller than when governments do similar things. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. corps justify a lot of horribble shit for financial reasons. Is that better? permalink fedilink source parent [+] sudneo@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago That’s still not how governments work It would be nice if it worked like that, but we both know it doesn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] barbara@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago That's called a pareto optimum permalink fedilink source parent [–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago In reality it's gonna be something like: M$ charges 5M €. Libreoffice might be 1M € so they will give 1M € to OSS and waste the remaining 3M € on some overly expensive one-time crap like car infrastructure. Later they will realize that they had understaffed their IT department and will need extra 5M € paid by more state debt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Norgur@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago That, again, is not how governments work. What you depict is how companies work: You save amount X on something, so there are X moneys left to invest in something. Governments work with separated and highly regulated budgets. That is sometimes bullshit, but sometimes necessary to make sure government aids are spent fairly, for example. So: You save amount X on something, you aren't allowed to just give this amount to someone. There has to be either a program, a law, or (most often) an entirely different budget somewhere else that this someone is allowed to receive. So the “trade-off” logic cannot be fulfilled by governments, and it shouldn't be. Think about the myriad of bullshit, money would just be dumped into by the government if this wasn't the case. On top of the myriad of bullshit that already made it through the nets, that is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago That’s still not how governments work It would be nice if it worked like that, but we both know it doesn't permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barbara@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago That's called a pareto optimum permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago In reality it's gonna be something like: M$ charges 5M €. Libreoffice might be 1M € so they will give 1M € to OSS and waste the remaining 3M € on some overly expensive one-time crap like car infrastructure. Later they will realize that they had understaffed their IT department and will need extra 5M € paid by more state debt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Norgur@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago That, again, is not how governments work. What you depict is how companies work: You save amount X on something, so there are X moneys left to invest in something. Governments work with separated and highly regulated budgets. That is sometimes bullshit, but sometimes necessary to make sure government aids are spent fairly, for example. So: You save amount X on something, you aren't allowed to just give this amount to someone. There has to be either a program, a law, or (most often) an entirely different budget somewhere else that this someone is allowed to receive. So the “trade-off” logic cannot be fulfilled by governments, and it shouldn't be. Think about the myriad of bullshit, money would just be dumped into by the government if this wasn't the case. On top of the myriad of bullshit that already made it through the nets, that is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Contend6248@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Well think again, Germany invests in open source. https://sciencebusiness.net/news/cybersecurity/germany-launch-sovereign-tech-fund-secure-digital-infrastructure The fund will rise with the savings for sure permalink fedilink source parent
[+] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And having a government as a significant backer for an open source project is a great recipe for conflicts of interest and general trust erosion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) who else should be a significant backer for an open source project? google? microsoft? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Things get weird as corporations increasingly have power comparable to nation states. But, generally, I would rather a megacorporation than a government. Because megacorps are at least "smart enough" to pretend they aren't trying to take over the world. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. But, in a perfect world? I would rather a wide range of different donors and backers but mostly clustering around maybe fortune 500 companies instead of fortune 10? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Because megacorps are at least “smart enough” to pretend they aren’t trying to take over the world. there are enough examples for corps doing evil things. You hear about them less often, because they cover their tracks and the outcry is generally smaller than when governments do similar things. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. corps justify a lot of horribble shit for financial reasons. Is that better? permalink fedilink source parent [+] sudneo@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) who else should be a significant backer for an open source project? google? microsoft? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Things get weird as corporations increasingly have power comparable to nation states. But, generally, I would rather a megacorporation than a government. Because megacorps are at least "smart enough" to pretend they aren't trying to take over the world. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. But, in a perfect world? I would rather a wide range of different donors and backers but mostly clustering around maybe fortune 500 companies instead of fortune 10? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Because megacorps are at least “smart enough” to pretend they aren’t trying to take over the world. there are enough examples for corps doing evil things. You hear about them less often, because they cover their tracks and the outcry is generally smaller than when governments do similar things. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. corps justify a lot of horribble shit for financial reasons. Is that better? permalink fedilink source parent [+] sudneo@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Things get weird as corporations increasingly have power comparable to nation states. But, generally, I would rather a megacorporation than a government. Because megacorps are at least "smart enough" to pretend they aren't trying to take over the world. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. But, in a perfect world? I would rather a wide range of different donors and backers but mostly clustering around maybe fortune 500 companies instead of fortune 10? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bort@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Because megacorps are at least “smart enough” to pretend they aren’t trying to take over the world. there are enough examples for corps doing evil things. You hear about them less often, because they cover their tracks and the outcry is generally smaller than when governments do similar things. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. corps justify a lot of horribble shit for financial reasons. Is that better? permalink fedilink source parent [+] sudneo@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Because megacorps are at least “smart enough” to pretend they aren’t trying to take over the world. there are enough examples for corps doing evil things. You hear about them less often, because they cover their tracks and the outcry is generally smaller than when governments do similar things. Whereas governments have a tendency to justify a lot of horrible shit for righteous reasons. corps justify a lot of horribble shit for financial reasons. Is that better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago I recall randomly check open source project and some of them has German public funding. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I hope your government has an emergency fund. Savings are really important permalink fedilink source parent