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The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear and usually follow it up with a ban. It's absolutely clear what is happening and it shouldn't be allowed to continue.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm all for defederating Hexbear, but lemmy.ml is absolutely huge compared to Hexbear. To motivate the community to do that you'd need quite a bit of proof. Or at least something rather compelling. Do you have any proof of what you're referring to?

[–] [email protected] 99 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (13 children)

Asking for proof of what is an open secret on lemmy seems disingenuous.

I think that instances like hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml are very bad advocates for Lemmy and will most likely end up damaging it more than anything else, keeping the "normies" out.

They argue in Bad faith, say the most radical stuff they can think of, and purge anything bad said about totalitarian regimes they idolize. China, Russia, Iran, all considered victims of the evil west..

  • Uyghur camps > not happening
  • Tiannamen square > Just some peaceful protests
  • invasion of Ukraine > NATO forced Russia to do it
[–] [email protected] 85 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I was banned from lemmy.ml for posting a meme about the fact that gay characters are removed from movies in China. Not even by a mod. By an admin. I'm not remotely surprised they're pro-shitheap in general

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is an admin on lemmy.ml that seems to be banning anyone who says anything negative about China. If I'm thinking of the right person, they are also a large contributor to the Lemmy codebase. That person is why I stopped donating to the Lemmy devs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This kind of stuff is making me consider stopping my donations to the Lemmy project, and instead donating to the Sublinks drop-in replacement developed by the programming.dev instance admins

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Hey, I'm the founder of Sublinks. It's a huge collaboration of several major Lemmy instances like lemmy world, beehaw, discuss.online, programming.dev, and quite a few others that wish not to be named until the release.

Some admins are directly working on the project while others are providing other types of support. @[email protected] is certainly a major contributor and has helped develop the new front end in many major ways. You can follow some progress updates here: [email protected]

We have several different teams of developers:

  1. API / Java
  2. Front-end / JS/CSS/HTML
  3. Federation / GoLang
  4. Libraries / JS
  5. Requirements gathering and organization
  6. Design & Graphics - UI/UX
  7. Lemmy to Sublinks migration tools

There is an active community on Matrix where all of us chat: https://matrix.to/#/#sublinks:discuss.online if anyone is interested in joining. We also have weekly touch bases to discuss progress and next steps. There are tons of people contributing.

We are currently taking donations only through Github: https://github.com/sponsors/sublinks if you're truly interested. We're all working on this part-time in our free time and making fantastic progress.

Let me know if you have any questions!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Thank you for the extra info and clarification!

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Hexbear loves to dogpile as well. I've seen a couple of raiding threads linking to other threads in Lemmy.ml making fun of whoever. But in reality they're just directing people over there to shit on someone. At least, that's what I saw last year, so I'm very distrusting of them.

That and the Lemmy.ml AMA thread where one admin was all buddy buddy with Hexabear users during their federation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I abandoned an old account because Hexbear bullies followed me around and downvoted everything. Come to think of it, I haven't posted a single thing since then, and I had a bunch of posts with hundreds of votes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This literally cannot be true, because hexbear accounts cannot downvote.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

If so maybe it was lemmy.ml, I get them confused sometimes

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Check my history, I called them out for the NATO one today and they threw all sorts of random shit at me that was off the central point, just looking for a mistake in my wording.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (16 children)

Yep. They were claiming that Putin invaded Ukraine to stop fascists. And that they were liberators. I was like, why would one fascist care what other fascists do? In the US, our fascist, wealthy Republicans largely supported Hitler till pearl harbor. But I did agree with them that the Soviet Union absolutely liberated many countries against their will post WWII. And that those countries still hold it against them to this day.

The gulags were mentioned and they were like, but but but America jails more! To which I told them that was bad. But the West doesn't kill millions of prisoners the way they did. And all for political dissent, reminding them of just two weeks ago when Putin had Navalny killed for political dissent.

The absurd thing is, I'm one hundred percent down for Marxism. And largely agree politically with his theory plus some modernization. So technically we would agree on a lot of things there. It's just the Engles and Lenin bullshit I disagree with, and has shown to have failed. Or caused their downfall historically. But they are primarily leninists, dedicated ideologically to authoritarians and strongmen above all reality.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How can you agree with Marx and not with Engels? Engels practically did a large chunk of the philosophical heavy lifting for Marxism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I know right, it's almost like they're two different people. gasp Wait a minute they are!

Also, I wouldn't call might makes right heavy philosophical lifting. There are less objectionable bits that Engles contributed. But some of the worst bits that led to the authoritarianism and brutality common in Marxist leninist structures is pretty strongly attached to him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Are there any particular texts from Engels that you disagree with? I would be interested to know where you think the split is. From my reading, Engels was mostly involved in the philosophical and scientific side of the development of dialectical materialism and it's application into Marxism. Eg. "Dialectics of Nature", "The German ideology", "Feuerbach and the end of German classical philosophy","anti-duhring" etc. I'm not sure where the apparent "brutality" is coming from here?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

It's totally reasonable to ask me to cite my reasoning.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (30 children)

I blacked out irrelevant information.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This is less about the instance as a whole. The [email protected] mods are notoriously terrible. It's best to just avoid the community altogether.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lmao I've also been banned by rimjob from World News over the stupidest shit. And yes, he did cite some bullshit even thought I was clearly within the rules and arguing in good faith. How dare someone stand their ground against Bruce Almighty from World News! Not surprised.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I had a bunch of reasonable posts deleted from World News. I just blocked it but defederating would be way better because then we can rebuild a healthier news community somewhere else.

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