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[–] 28 points 2 years ago (60 children)

Out of the loop, what's wrong with electron?

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  • [–] 151 points 2 years ago (26 children)

    It's basically Chrome. It's not a real application, it's a website pretending to be one. It uses a metric fuckton of RAM and eats your battery faster than Prince Andrew a minor.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago* (21 children)

    If Firefox could allow their engine to be packaged like this I'd use it. The problem I see here is chromium. Everything is a trade off and we need more ways to build maintainable cross platform applications.

    Slack, for example, is Electron and it runs great. One of the best apps I've used. And it works better than the browser version...

    The hate on Lemmy of electron is a bit of an overreaction if you ask me. Yeah it uses more ram than is necessary but again everything is a trade off. Not everything can be a hard to maintain rust app. Let's try to embrace cross platform solutions, though yes fuck chrome/google, so sure criticize that part of it.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There is Tauri which packages it with WebKit and uses Rust as backend.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Let’s try to embrace cross platform solutions,

    [JavaFX has entered the chat.]

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    The hate on Lemmy of electron is a bit of an overreaction if you ask me

    The issue is mainly developers using Electron when things like React Native and Flutter exist. I don't know a lot about Flutter, but React Native uses native UI widgets and feels a lot nicer than Electron.

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  • [–] 61 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Each electron App is actually a full independent chromium browser install running a website. It's easy to code for and works cross platform as a result, but it's essentially just a website, although they can run offline depending on what's been built in to the local app.

    Each electron app running on your system is a separate full chromium app running, with no sharing of resources between each instance. So they take up a lot of space each and duplicate all the resource usage, and potentially the security flaws.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    It's just the webapp. If we want the webapp we use a browser.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Slack desktop app is built with electron and works much better than the web app in my experience. So no it's not actually always that simple.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    It could be that simple. They just hinder their own website to get you to download the app.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    You really believe that? It would be easier for them to maintain only the website, so this really doesn't make sense to me.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Slack is one of those apps which lags in a week on any hardware, it might be better than web version but it still sucks ass compared to fucking ICQ clients. Source: using it in the company I work for, for about 7 years already.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't often have trouble with slack being slow, or buggy. Been using it like 9 years myself. Interesting you're comparing slack to icq. Are you referring to a current version of icq, or the one that existed in the early 2000s?

    I am not sure I understand comparing an app designed to do video/audio chat seamlessly, threaded conversations, channels, filesharing, plus has dozens of subtle nice features that make for a rich experience and a... Chat app, that worked fine for sending plaintext messages but didn't really do anything else.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    This. Its webapp with more persistent storage maybe. If the Browsers could integrate this, it would be a gamechanger.

    I am also very sure that Chrome preloads google. com to make it seem to "load faster". Its all just preloading or persistent storage

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    It's what you deploy to your users if you want to work around ad blockers and browser extensions. It's a great tool to get operating system level access to exfiltrate information about your users and identify them uniquely, even if they would prefer that not to happen.

    All that with the help of Google's telemetry engine aka Chrome, which further helps Alphabet to manifest their interpretation of web standards in the world.

    We worked to move things onto the web. Now people bring the web back to your desktop with every application bringing it's own browser shell. We have come full circle and we're now using 10x the resources.

    Electron is the prime example of everything that is wrong in IT.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

    Wow. That sounds horrible. Do you have a source about the system level access statement? I would like to see people's thoughts on it, if it's as bad as it sounds, I'm surprised I haven't heard about it before

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Do you have a source about the system level access statement?

    Electron apps are native apps with the Chromium browser embedded in their windows, so they can do anything a native app can. It supports Node.js modules for things like filesystem access, and can interop with C++ code by writing an add on (https://nodejs.org/api/addons.html)

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    There are other options like Tauri that do the same thing as electron, but instead of bundling chromium with the app, it relies on the OS provided web view. It’s also built with Rust, which tends to be faster.

    As an example, Mac would use Safari, Windows would use Edge (chromium), and Linux would likely use WebKitGTK, which is what safari uses.

    By using the default browser, developers save a ton of space—at the risk of compatibility issues, which are very very rare nowadays.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Electron runs a core Chromium Browser + NodeJS + a bit more.

    Unlike Chromium itself it is not backwards compatible and removes a ton of things like its sandboxing capabilities.

    I am not sure how it is less secure, but it may use more RAM (also not always but generally yes of course), doesnt allow hardening (unlike android WebView apps) and breaks LD_PRELOAD-ing another memory allocator.

    This is only a big problem in special cases, in general it makes apps strictly dependend on GNU glibc and others, no idea how it works on Alpine or others (that actually try to make a secure system).

    If somebody knows more about security concerns about Electron, please add.

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