I am not a native English speaker and I have sometimes referred to people as male and female (as that is what I have been taught) but I have received some backlash in some cases, especially for the word "female", is there some negative thought in the word which I am unaware of?

I don't know if this is the best place to ask, if it's not appropriate I have no problem to delete it ^^

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[–] 197 points 2 years ago (76 children)

Female as an adjective is perfectly fine.

A female patient, a female politician, a female customer, etc. That's the best way to refer to those.

What's bad is using 'female' as a noun: "A female. "

In general, you just don't use adjectives-as-nouns to refer to people. You don't call someone "a gay", "a black", or "a Chinese". That is offensive, and "a female" has the same kind of feel.

(there are exceptions to the above: you can call someone 'an American' or 'A German", but not "A French". I don't understand why - if you can't feel your way, best just avoid it)

Now, you could get around it by calling someone "a female person" - except that we already have a word for "female person", and that's "woman". And to go out of your way to avoid saying "woman" makes you sound like some kind of incel weirdo, and you don't want that.

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  • [–] 71 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    And to go out of your way to avoid saying “woman” makes you sound like some kind of incel weirdo, and you don’t want that.

    I'd just like to emphasise this. It's not that using a different term is intrinsically bad, it's just that the people who tend to do it are not cool and you don't want to look like you're associated with them.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    When I was growing up, saying woman was offensive, because it made people feel old. So we would say "girl". But now It's flipped. Saying "girl" makes people feel too young, apparently.

    I'm still kind of adjusting. The word "woman" still feels icky to me because I was berated for saying it as a kid.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Interesting point with adjectives vs nouns.

    'a Frenchman' would be more correct than 'a French'. Because French is only an adjective, while American and German are both nouns and adjectives. But Frenchman is not gender neutral like German or American.

    Could go with Francophone, but that's any french speaking person so that includes canadians, africans, etc.

    And, it would seem to make sense to go with Frank, but the Franks were originally germans, then expanded their territory to include France, and the name stuck there but not in their original territory, so is it really correct to refer to the French as Franks? Since no one does it, I would guess not.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Unless you're a ferengi. /s

    I think a big part that's skeevy to me is that gender and sex are comparatively unimportant individual traits, referring to someone by their gender happens far more often for women and it's a hold over of misogyny. There are much more interesting individual traits that identify us than our sex or presented gender.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    My wife tells me that using as an adjective is just as bad and that I should always say "woman", e.g. a woman politician and never a female politician.

    I generally disagree and it seems fine and not disrespectful at all. But it's somehat less up to me - I'm not a female.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    My wife tells me that using as an adjective is just as bad and that I should always say “woman”, e.g. a woman politician and never a female politician.

    Using a noun as an adjective is just weird, honestly.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (14 children)

    "the suspect is a six foot, white male"

    Sounds fine to me

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "I was just visiting my friend, a six foot white male"

    A little weirder. Context is everything.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Well yeah, why would I need a description of your friend unless it pertains to an upcoming story, and why not use his name if you know it? The cop can't usually say "It was Steve what done it" because most places aren't Mayberry.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

    I think that's because the descriptors come after the noun in reporting. Similar to how documentation is done for other professions, like healthcare. If it's out of the context of reporting, or other situations listed in the site below, it sounds grammatically strange or rude.

    https://myenglishgrammar.com/lessons/adjectives-function-as-nouns/

    Source: I'm in healthcare.

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