▲ 139 ▼ People working in the meat industry: could/can you actually feel the effects of the rise of veganism of the last ~10 years? How (much) did it affect the area you work in? (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by Dicska@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 52 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) Volume is pretty rigorously tracked by regulatory bodies that are responsible for food safety. The US’s data is here: https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/livestock-and-meat-domestic-data/ I’d copy and paste some stuff into this thread, but it looks like some parts of this site are under maintenance right now. That said, others have charted the data. https://www.agweb.com/opinion/drivers-us-capita-meat-consumption-over-last-century permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) Woah, looks like chickens were our friends until the 1940s when people started eating the friends permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] otherbarry@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) The 1940-1950 era is the rough timeframe when the factory farming of poultry took off, especially once antibiotics started being widely used to group even more chickens together in those factory conditions. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_the_United_States_poultry_farming_industry#History_of_federal_policy_on_antibiotic_use_in_livestock permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago There’s a number of factors, including a concerted effort by the USDA to drive chicken consumption. The Search Engine podcast did a two part episode about chicken bones that discusses the rise of chicken as a food product: https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-there-so-many-chicken-bones permalink fedilink source parent [–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lamb is at 0 lbs/y? I find that and turkey to be suspiciously low permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] festus@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago I believe it. I'm not American but Canadian (our diets tend to be similar) and before I became vegetarian I literally had never once eaten lamb, and turkey was only a Easter / Thanksgiving / Christmas meal. Keep in mind the number probably isn't 0 but close to it, it's just hard to see on the graph. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago I had to reread your comment like 5 times because I kept reading "chickpeas" instead of "chickens" permalink fedilink source parent [–] muelltonne@feddit.de 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) That's actually quite an insane chart. So the average american eats around 125kg of meat a year? France is at 83kg, Italy at 81kg and Canada at 82kg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption Current german recommendations for healthy eating are saying that around 300 grams of meat a week are the max and Americans really seem to eat that every day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PigsInClover@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Apparently so, but there is a wide variance in American diets. I wouldn’t be surprised if the biggest meat eaters are skewing that data quite a bit. It’s not exact, but I just did a tally of the meat I’ve bought in the last year and it’s about 20 lbs. I could’ve forgotten something, and had a handful of meals out, so I’ll round up to 25lbs to be safe. Totally anecdotal, but 9% of the average listed here. I know I’m on the low end, but for most of my family I’d be pretty shocked if they ate over 3lb a week, or ~150lbs a year. I live in the south and it seems like about half the people I meet eat more along the lines of what seems normal to me for someone eating meat, anywhere from 4-10x a week. A lot of those outside of dinners can be very small amounts of meat. The other half unfortunately seem to be the type that consider it a tough challenge when they stop eating meat at every single meal, and it’s often at least 30% of their meal. It’s wild. permalink fedilink source parent [–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Any idea what caused the dip from 04 to 09? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) There might be a number of factors, but most notably, beef prices started to rise and people switched to other meats, also 2003, 05 and 06 marked the first 3 documented outbreaks of mad cow disease in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Turns out the easiest way to get people to not eat meat is to just raise the prices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago The deadly brain eating disease was also a good turn off when it became new to North America. permalink fedilink source parent [–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see the 2008 decline in beef. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks to Oprah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd think the financial crash. What did Oprah say? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Identity3000@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* Oprah did a very controversial, very public show about mad cow disease, implying it was in America, and led to a big lawsuit. There are multiple sources of info, but for some easy listening, checkout the podcast 'Maintenance Phase' which did a 2 part feature on it. Is that actually what we're seeing reflected in the graph? Mmm, I'm not convinced. But it's definitely true that she did hurt the beef industry in America. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dicska@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wow, thanks, that was interesting! It seems like people kind of gave up around 2017. Or some other indirect factor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) TIL Americans fucking loooove chicken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] fuzzyspudkiss@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago I would eat fried chicken every day if it wouldn't kill me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I’d honestly take chicken over beef just about any day. I’m committing chicken genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dicska@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago Chicken wings are so hot right now permalink fedilink source parent [–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I can get chicken leg quarters for $0.99 per lb., what's not to love? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) Woah, looks like chickens were our friends until the 1940s when people started eating the friends permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] otherbarry@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) The 1940-1950 era is the rough timeframe when the factory farming of poultry took off, especially once antibiotics started being widely used to group even more chickens together in those factory conditions. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_the_United_States_poultry_farming_industry#History_of_federal_policy_on_antibiotic_use_in_livestock permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago There’s a number of factors, including a concerted effort by the USDA to drive chicken consumption. The Search Engine podcast did a two part episode about chicken bones that discusses the rise of chicken as a food product: https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-there-so-many-chicken-bones permalink fedilink source parent [–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lamb is at 0 lbs/y? I find that and turkey to be suspiciously low permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] festus@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago I believe it. I'm not American but Canadian (our diets tend to be similar) and before I became vegetarian I literally had never once eaten lamb, and turkey was only a Easter / Thanksgiving / Christmas meal. Keep in mind the number probably isn't 0 but close to it, it's just hard to see on the graph. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago I had to reread your comment like 5 times because I kept reading "chickpeas" instead of "chickens" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] otherbarry@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) The 1940-1950 era is the rough timeframe when the factory farming of poultry took off, especially once antibiotics started being widely used to group even more chickens together in those factory conditions. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_the_United_States_poultry_farming_industry#History_of_federal_policy_on_antibiotic_use_in_livestock permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago There’s a number of factors, including a concerted effort by the USDA to drive chicken consumption. The Search Engine podcast did a two part episode about chicken bones that discusses the rise of chicken as a food product: https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-there-so-many-chicken-bones permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago There’s a number of factors, including a concerted effort by the USDA to drive chicken consumption. The Search Engine podcast did a two part episode about chicken bones that discusses the rise of chicken as a food product: https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-there-so-many-chicken-bones permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lamb is at 0 lbs/y? I find that and turkey to be suspiciously low permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] festus@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago I believe it. I'm not American but Canadian (our diets tend to be similar) and before I became vegetarian I literally had never once eaten lamb, and turkey was only a Easter / Thanksgiving / Christmas meal. Keep in mind the number probably isn't 0 but close to it, it's just hard to see on the graph. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] festus@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago I believe it. I'm not American but Canadian (our diets tend to be similar) and before I became vegetarian I literally had never once eaten lamb, and turkey was only a Easter / Thanksgiving / Christmas meal. Keep in mind the number probably isn't 0 but close to it, it's just hard to see on the graph. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago I had to reread your comment like 5 times because I kept reading "chickpeas" instead of "chickens" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] muelltonne@feddit.de 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) That's actually quite an insane chart. So the average american eats around 125kg of meat a year? France is at 83kg, Italy at 81kg and Canada at 82kg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption Current german recommendations for healthy eating are saying that around 300 grams of meat a week are the max and Americans really seem to eat that every day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PigsInClover@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Apparently so, but there is a wide variance in American diets. I wouldn’t be surprised if the biggest meat eaters are skewing that data quite a bit. It’s not exact, but I just did a tally of the meat I’ve bought in the last year and it’s about 20 lbs. I could’ve forgotten something, and had a handful of meals out, so I’ll round up to 25lbs to be safe. Totally anecdotal, but 9% of the average listed here. I know I’m on the low end, but for most of my family I’d be pretty shocked if they ate over 3lb a week, or ~150lbs a year. I live in the south and it seems like about half the people I meet eat more along the lines of what seems normal to me for someone eating meat, anywhere from 4-10x a week. A lot of those outside of dinners can be very small amounts of meat. The other half unfortunately seem to be the type that consider it a tough challenge when they stop eating meat at every single meal, and it’s often at least 30% of their meal. It’s wild. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PigsInClover@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Apparently so, but there is a wide variance in American diets. I wouldn’t be surprised if the biggest meat eaters are skewing that data quite a bit. It’s not exact, but I just did a tally of the meat I’ve bought in the last year and it’s about 20 lbs. I could’ve forgotten something, and had a handful of meals out, so I’ll round up to 25lbs to be safe. Totally anecdotal, but 9% of the average listed here. I know I’m on the low end, but for most of my family I’d be pretty shocked if they ate over 3lb a week, or ~150lbs a year. I live in the south and it seems like about half the people I meet eat more along the lines of what seems normal to me for someone eating meat, anywhere from 4-10x a week. A lot of those outside of dinners can be very small amounts of meat. The other half unfortunately seem to be the type that consider it a tough challenge when they stop eating meat at every single meal, and it’s often at least 30% of their meal. It’s wild. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Any idea what caused the dip from 04 to 09? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) There might be a number of factors, but most notably, beef prices started to rise and people switched to other meats, also 2003, 05 and 06 marked the first 3 documented outbreaks of mad cow disease in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Turns out the easiest way to get people to not eat meat is to just raise the prices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago The deadly brain eating disease was also a good turn off when it became new to North America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) There might be a number of factors, but most notably, beef prices started to rise and people switched to other meats, also 2003, 05 and 06 marked the first 3 documented outbreaks of mad cow disease in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Turns out the easiest way to get people to not eat meat is to just raise the prices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago The deadly brain eating disease was also a good turn off when it became new to North America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Turns out the easiest way to get people to not eat meat is to just raise the prices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago The deadly brain eating disease was also a good turn off when it became new to North America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago The deadly brain eating disease was also a good turn off when it became new to North America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see the 2008 decline in beef. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks to Oprah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd think the financial crash. What did Oprah say? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Identity3000@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* Oprah did a very controversial, very public show about mad cow disease, implying it was in America, and led to a big lawsuit. There are multiple sources of info, but for some easy listening, checkout the podcast 'Maintenance Phase' which did a 2 part feature on it. Is that actually what we're seeing reflected in the graph? Mmm, I'm not convinced. But it's definitely true that she did hurt the beef industry in America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks to Oprah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd think the financial crash. What did Oprah say? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Identity3000@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* Oprah did a very controversial, very public show about mad cow disease, implying it was in America, and led to a big lawsuit. There are multiple sources of info, but for some easy listening, checkout the podcast 'Maintenance Phase' which did a 2 part feature on it. Is that actually what we're seeing reflected in the graph? Mmm, I'm not convinced. But it's definitely true that she did hurt the beef industry in America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd think the financial crash. What did Oprah say? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Identity3000@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* Oprah did a very controversial, very public show about mad cow disease, implying it was in America, and led to a big lawsuit. There are multiple sources of info, but for some easy listening, checkout the podcast 'Maintenance Phase' which did a 2 part feature on it. Is that actually what we're seeing reflected in the graph? Mmm, I'm not convinced. But it's definitely true that she did hurt the beef industry in America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Identity3000@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* Oprah did a very controversial, very public show about mad cow disease, implying it was in America, and led to a big lawsuit. There are multiple sources of info, but for some easy listening, checkout the podcast 'Maintenance Phase' which did a 2 part feature on it. Is that actually what we're seeing reflected in the graph? Mmm, I'm not convinced. But it's definitely true that she did hurt the beef industry in America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dicska@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wow, thanks, that was interesting! It seems like people kind of gave up around 2017. Or some other indirect factor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) TIL Americans fucking loooove chicken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] fuzzyspudkiss@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago I would eat fried chicken every day if it wouldn't kill me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I’d honestly take chicken over beef just about any day. I’m committing chicken genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dicska@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago Chicken wings are so hot right now permalink fedilink source parent [–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I can get chicken leg quarters for $0.99 per lb., what's not to love? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) TIL Americans fucking loooove chicken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] fuzzyspudkiss@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago I would eat fried chicken every day if it wouldn't kill me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I’d honestly take chicken over beef just about any day. I’m committing chicken genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dicska@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago Chicken wings are so hot right now permalink fedilink source parent [–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I can get chicken leg quarters for $0.99 per lb., what's not to love? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fuzzyspudkiss@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago I would eat fried chicken every day if it wouldn't kill me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I’d honestly take chicken over beef just about any day. I’m committing chicken genocide. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dicska@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago Chicken wings are so hot right now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I can get chicken leg quarters for $0.99 per lb., what's not to love? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent