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[–] seahorse@midwest.social 96 points 2 years ago (28 children) Left-wing groups: disorganized Right-wing groups: incredibly bad at opsec permalink fedilink source hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 74 points 2 years ago (22 children) Yet it still ends up as: Left-wing groups: Beaten and arrested by police for peacefully protesting. Right-wing groups: Attempt to overthrow democracy, get off scot-free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [+] DdCno1@kbin.social -38 points 2 years ago (14 children) get off scot-free Given how they are being systematically hunted down and sentenced to long prison sentences one after the other and from the bottom up, I don't think this is accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Commission data show that the D.C. court’s sentences for Jan. 6 defendants who assaulted police is below the national average. Since Jan. 6 cases began, the average sentence imposed by D.C. federal judges in the Capitol attack under guidelines for serious assaults climbed to 46 months from 41 months but is still below the nationwide average of 51 months in 2022. As of last month Even directly assaulting cops got these fuckers below average sentences, let alone the literal act of trying to overthrow democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ioughttamow@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just got to be on the white side of the aisle permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago When I was teenager, I got a speeding ticket in a different state and ignored it. Several months later, I got a notice that my home state was going to suspend my license over it unless I dealt with it within a month. Because I had skipped my court date, the only way I could do that was to drive 10 hours, show up early to court, and request that the DA and judge add my case to the docket. So, I drove overnight, showed up early, and they agreed to hear my case. In the state I was in, at triffic court they have you stand in line and when you're 3rd in line the ADA asks your name and pulls your file to the top and the DA then reads the charges out load when it's your turn. As I'm next in line, the DA starts reading the case of the person in front of me and it's almost identical to mine. We were both clocked going significantly over the speed limit (I was actually going slightly faster), we were both from out of state, and we had both failed to appear to our scheduled court date. The judge hit him with a $200 fine and $150 court fee that would be reduced to $100 if it was paid on the spot in cash. I began to panic. I only had $250 until my next paycheck and my license was due to be suspended before then. I could barely hear the DA read off the details of my case over my pulse in my ears. The judge listened then announced my fine: $75 plus the court fee. The only difference between myself and the person in front of me was our race. Yes, we were in a southern state and, yes, the judge was an old, white man. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not to defend these guys, but be careful when using statistical averages and drawing conclusions from them when you dont have the other contextual data. Like for example sentencing guidelines give leniency to first time offenders, so If the sample of Jan 6 traitors has more first time offenders than the nationwide average, then we would expect them to have a shorter average sentences. I cant read the article you posted so I dont know if this is considered at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* That’s a valid point and one I hadn’t considered. I’ll certainly keep that in mind for future, as I do like statistical data. Although I do find it reasonable in this instance to debunk the claim they received long prison sentences, as a handful of years is pretty short considering the severity of their attempted action. permalink fedilink source parent [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Not awesome. But at least somewhat better than not being tried at all. Which is kind of what I expected going in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snooggums@midwest.social 22 points 2 years ago (5 children) A few years for treason is not long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -35 points 2 years ago (4 children) No one has been charged for treason because guess what, it doesnt count as treason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your comment doesn't count as a contribution to discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, downvotes from people who don't know the difference between sedition and treason. TL;DR: it's sedition when you're domestic, treason when you're foreign. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago I r o n i c permalink fedilink source parent [+] uis@lemm.ee -12 points 2 years ago (1 child) In what prison Putin is now? Here's the answer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago The US doesn't have jurisdiction to enforce laws on Putin without an invasion permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -48 points 2 years ago* (6 children) Buildings burn and people die when overthrow is attempted. Therefore that's exaggeration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago People did die... permalink fedilink source parent [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Your dictionary sucks lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Look at those downvotes. What did I say that was so bad? What do you think is going on here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You stated that "overthrow" is an exaggeration because buildings didn't burn or whatever. That's not the definition of overthrow. The fact is, people tried to overturn the US Presidential Election by extralegal means including force, with the intent of putting in place an illegitimate leader. That meets the definition of overthrow and insurrection. Of course, if you are operating on right wing propaganda instead of facts, you won't agree. And if your epistemology is clouded with superstitious thinking and unchecked cognitive biases, you won't ever be able to see through the bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That seems rather simplistic and idealistic. Like a cartoon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pepsi@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago 🤓 permalink fedilink source parent [–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz [S] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Can't have bad opsec if you don't have an op to sec. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well that's where the FBI comes in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Followupquestion@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago It’s hard to justify infiltrating activist groups like Food Not Bombs if they never plan an attack on a federal building. For a fun listen, the second season of Bundyville talks about a small group with “anti-government” leanings and how the Feds tried to encourage them to act violently. My favorite part is when one Fed texted another Fed questioning their exact plan, because the cell of five members had multiple Feds! Multiple Feds to infiltrate and influence (what’s the exact line for entrapment I wonder) a small number of people and even then they were ineffective. I guess there weren’t enough lonely autistic teens in the group. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Ineffectual versus incompetent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Around here they are definitely the same picture permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 74 points 2 years ago (22 children) Yet it still ends up as: Left-wing groups: Beaten and arrested by police for peacefully protesting. Right-wing groups: Attempt to overthrow democracy, get off scot-free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [+] DdCno1@kbin.social -38 points 2 years ago (14 children) get off scot-free Given how they are being systematically hunted down and sentenced to long prison sentences one after the other and from the bottom up, I don't think this is accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Commission data show that the D.C. court’s sentences for Jan. 6 defendants who assaulted police is below the national average. Since Jan. 6 cases began, the average sentence imposed by D.C. federal judges in the Capitol attack under guidelines for serious assaults climbed to 46 months from 41 months but is still below the nationwide average of 51 months in 2022. As of last month Even directly assaulting cops got these fuckers below average sentences, let alone the literal act of trying to overthrow democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ioughttamow@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just got to be on the white side of the aisle permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago When I was teenager, I got a speeding ticket in a different state and ignored it. Several months later, I got a notice that my home state was going to suspend my license over it unless I dealt with it within a month. Because I had skipped my court date, the only way I could do that was to drive 10 hours, show up early to court, and request that the DA and judge add my case to the docket. So, I drove overnight, showed up early, and they agreed to hear my case. In the state I was in, at triffic court they have you stand in line and when you're 3rd in line the ADA asks your name and pulls your file to the top and the DA then reads the charges out load when it's your turn. As I'm next in line, the DA starts reading the case of the person in front of me and it's almost identical to mine. We were both clocked going significantly over the speed limit (I was actually going slightly faster), we were both from out of state, and we had both failed to appear to our scheduled court date. The judge hit him with a $200 fine and $150 court fee that would be reduced to $100 if it was paid on the spot in cash. I began to panic. I only had $250 until my next paycheck and my license was due to be suspended before then. I could barely hear the DA read off the details of my case over my pulse in my ears. The judge listened then announced my fine: $75 plus the court fee. The only difference between myself and the person in front of me was our race. Yes, we were in a southern state and, yes, the judge was an old, white man. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not to defend these guys, but be careful when using statistical averages and drawing conclusions from them when you dont have the other contextual data. Like for example sentencing guidelines give leniency to first time offenders, so If the sample of Jan 6 traitors has more first time offenders than the nationwide average, then we would expect them to have a shorter average sentences. I cant read the article you posted so I dont know if this is considered at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* That’s a valid point and one I hadn’t considered. I’ll certainly keep that in mind for future, as I do like statistical data. Although I do find it reasonable in this instance to debunk the claim they received long prison sentences, as a handful of years is pretty short considering the severity of their attempted action. permalink fedilink source parent [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Not awesome. But at least somewhat better than not being tried at all. Which is kind of what I expected going in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snooggums@midwest.social 22 points 2 years ago (5 children) A few years for treason is not long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -35 points 2 years ago (4 children) No one has been charged for treason because guess what, it doesnt count as treason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your comment doesn't count as a contribution to discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, downvotes from people who don't know the difference between sedition and treason. TL;DR: it's sedition when you're domestic, treason when you're foreign. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago I r o n i c permalink fedilink source parent [+] uis@lemm.ee -12 points 2 years ago (1 child) In what prison Putin is now? Here's the answer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago The US doesn't have jurisdiction to enforce laws on Putin without an invasion permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -48 points 2 years ago* (6 children) Buildings burn and people die when overthrow is attempted. Therefore that's exaggeration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago People did die... permalink fedilink source parent [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Your dictionary sucks lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Look at those downvotes. What did I say that was so bad? What do you think is going on here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You stated that "overthrow" is an exaggeration because buildings didn't burn or whatever. That's not the definition of overthrow. The fact is, people tried to overturn the US Presidential Election by extralegal means including force, with the intent of putting in place an illegitimate leader. That meets the definition of overthrow and insurrection. Of course, if you are operating on right wing propaganda instead of facts, you won't agree. And if your epistemology is clouded with superstitious thinking and unchecked cognitive biases, you won't ever be able to see through the bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That seems rather simplistic and idealistic. Like a cartoon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pepsi@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago 🤓 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DdCno1@kbin.social -38 points 2 years ago (14 children) get off scot-free Given how they are being systematically hunted down and sentenced to long prison sentences one after the other and from the bottom up, I don't think this is accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Commission data show that the D.C. court’s sentences for Jan. 6 defendants who assaulted police is below the national average. Since Jan. 6 cases began, the average sentence imposed by D.C. federal judges in the Capitol attack under guidelines for serious assaults climbed to 46 months from 41 months but is still below the nationwide average of 51 months in 2022. As of last month Even directly assaulting cops got these fuckers below average sentences, let alone the literal act of trying to overthrow democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ioughttamow@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just got to be on the white side of the aisle permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago When I was teenager, I got a speeding ticket in a different state and ignored it. Several months later, I got a notice that my home state was going to suspend my license over it unless I dealt with it within a month. Because I had skipped my court date, the only way I could do that was to drive 10 hours, show up early to court, and request that the DA and judge add my case to the docket. So, I drove overnight, showed up early, and they agreed to hear my case. In the state I was in, at triffic court they have you stand in line and when you're 3rd in line the ADA asks your name and pulls your file to the top and the DA then reads the charges out load when it's your turn. As I'm next in line, the DA starts reading the case of the person in front of me and it's almost identical to mine. We were both clocked going significantly over the speed limit (I was actually going slightly faster), we were both from out of state, and we had both failed to appear to our scheduled court date. The judge hit him with a $200 fine and $150 court fee that would be reduced to $100 if it was paid on the spot in cash. I began to panic. I only had $250 until my next paycheck and my license was due to be suspended before then. I could barely hear the DA read off the details of my case over my pulse in my ears. The judge listened then announced my fine: $75 plus the court fee. The only difference between myself and the person in front of me was our race. Yes, we were in a southern state and, yes, the judge was an old, white man. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not to defend these guys, but be careful when using statistical averages and drawing conclusions from them when you dont have the other contextual data. Like for example sentencing guidelines give leniency to first time offenders, so If the sample of Jan 6 traitors has more first time offenders than the nationwide average, then we would expect them to have a shorter average sentences. I cant read the article you posted so I dont know if this is considered at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* That’s a valid point and one I hadn’t considered. I’ll certainly keep that in mind for future, as I do like statistical data. Although I do find it reasonable in this instance to debunk the claim they received long prison sentences, as a handful of years is pretty short considering the severity of their attempted action. permalink fedilink source parent [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Not awesome. But at least somewhat better than not being tried at all. Which is kind of what I expected going in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snooggums@midwest.social 22 points 2 years ago (5 children) A few years for treason is not long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -35 points 2 years ago (4 children) No one has been charged for treason because guess what, it doesnt count as treason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your comment doesn't count as a contribution to discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, downvotes from people who don't know the difference between sedition and treason. TL;DR: it's sedition when you're domestic, treason when you're foreign. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago I r o n i c permalink fedilink source parent [+] uis@lemm.ee -12 points 2 years ago (1 child) In what prison Putin is now? Here's the answer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago The US doesn't have jurisdiction to enforce laws on Putin without an invasion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Commission data show that the D.C. court’s sentences for Jan. 6 defendants who assaulted police is below the national average. Since Jan. 6 cases began, the average sentence imposed by D.C. federal judges in the Capitol attack under guidelines for serious assaults climbed to 46 months from 41 months but is still below the nationwide average of 51 months in 2022. As of last month Even directly assaulting cops got these fuckers below average sentences, let alone the literal act of trying to overthrow democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ioughttamow@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just got to be on the white side of the aisle permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago When I was teenager, I got a speeding ticket in a different state and ignored it. Several months later, I got a notice that my home state was going to suspend my license over it unless I dealt with it within a month. Because I had skipped my court date, the only way I could do that was to drive 10 hours, show up early to court, and request that the DA and judge add my case to the docket. So, I drove overnight, showed up early, and they agreed to hear my case. In the state I was in, at triffic court they have you stand in line and when you're 3rd in line the ADA asks your name and pulls your file to the top and the DA then reads the charges out load when it's your turn. As I'm next in line, the DA starts reading the case of the person in front of me and it's almost identical to mine. We were both clocked going significantly over the speed limit (I was actually going slightly faster), we were both from out of state, and we had both failed to appear to our scheduled court date. The judge hit him with a $200 fine and $150 court fee that would be reduced to $100 if it was paid on the spot in cash. I began to panic. I only had $250 until my next paycheck and my license was due to be suspended before then. I could barely hear the DA read off the details of my case over my pulse in my ears. The judge listened then announced my fine: $75 plus the court fee. The only difference between myself and the person in front of me was our race. Yes, we were in a southern state and, yes, the judge was an old, white man. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not to defend these guys, but be careful when using statistical averages and drawing conclusions from them when you dont have the other contextual data. Like for example sentencing guidelines give leniency to first time offenders, so If the sample of Jan 6 traitors has more first time offenders than the nationwide average, then we would expect them to have a shorter average sentences. I cant read the article you posted so I dont know if this is considered at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* That’s a valid point and one I hadn’t considered. I’ll certainly keep that in mind for future, as I do like statistical data. Although I do find it reasonable in this instance to debunk the claim they received long prison sentences, as a handful of years is pretty short considering the severity of their attempted action. permalink fedilink source parent [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Not awesome. But at least somewhat better than not being tried at all. Which is kind of what I expected going in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ioughttamow@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just got to be on the white side of the aisle permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago When I was teenager, I got a speeding ticket in a different state and ignored it. Several months later, I got a notice that my home state was going to suspend my license over it unless I dealt with it within a month. Because I had skipped my court date, the only way I could do that was to drive 10 hours, show up early to court, and request that the DA and judge add my case to the docket. So, I drove overnight, showed up early, and they agreed to hear my case. In the state I was in, at triffic court they have you stand in line and when you're 3rd in line the ADA asks your name and pulls your file to the top and the DA then reads the charges out load when it's your turn. As I'm next in line, the DA starts reading the case of the person in front of me and it's almost identical to mine. We were both clocked going significantly over the speed limit (I was actually going slightly faster), we were both from out of state, and we had both failed to appear to our scheduled court date. The judge hit him with a $200 fine and $150 court fee that would be reduced to $100 if it was paid on the spot in cash. I began to panic. I only had $250 until my next paycheck and my license was due to be suspended before then. I could barely hear the DA read off the details of my case over my pulse in my ears. The judge listened then announced my fine: $75 plus the court fee. The only difference between myself and the person in front of me was our race. Yes, we were in a southern state and, yes, the judge was an old, white man. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago When I was teenager, I got a speeding ticket in a different state and ignored it. Several months later, I got a notice that my home state was going to suspend my license over it unless I dealt with it within a month. Because I had skipped my court date, the only way I could do that was to drive 10 hours, show up early to court, and request that the DA and judge add my case to the docket. So, I drove overnight, showed up early, and they agreed to hear my case. In the state I was in, at triffic court they have you stand in line and when you're 3rd in line the ADA asks your name and pulls your file to the top and the DA then reads the charges out load when it's your turn. As I'm next in line, the DA starts reading the case of the person in front of me and it's almost identical to mine. We were both clocked going significantly over the speed limit (I was actually going slightly faster), we were both from out of state, and we had both failed to appear to our scheduled court date. The judge hit him with a $200 fine and $150 court fee that would be reduced to $100 if it was paid on the spot in cash. I began to panic. I only had $250 until my next paycheck and my license was due to be suspended before then. I could barely hear the DA read off the details of my case over my pulse in my ears. The judge listened then announced my fine: $75 plus the court fee. The only difference between myself and the person in front of me was our race. Yes, we were in a southern state and, yes, the judge was an old, white man. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not to defend these guys, but be careful when using statistical averages and drawing conclusions from them when you dont have the other contextual data. Like for example sentencing guidelines give leniency to first time offenders, so If the sample of Jan 6 traitors has more first time offenders than the nationwide average, then we would expect them to have a shorter average sentences. I cant read the article you posted so I dont know if this is considered at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* That’s a valid point and one I hadn’t considered. I’ll certainly keep that in mind for future, as I do like statistical data. Although I do find it reasonable in this instance to debunk the claim they received long prison sentences, as a handful of years is pretty short considering the severity of their attempted action. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* That’s a valid point and one I hadn’t considered. I’ll certainly keep that in mind for future, as I do like statistical data. Although I do find it reasonable in this instance to debunk the claim they received long prison sentences, as a handful of years is pretty short considering the severity of their attempted action. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Not awesome. But at least somewhat better than not being tried at all. Which is kind of what I expected going in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snooggums@midwest.social 22 points 2 years ago (5 children) A few years for treason is not long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -35 points 2 years ago (4 children) No one has been charged for treason because guess what, it doesnt count as treason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your comment doesn't count as a contribution to discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, downvotes from people who don't know the difference between sedition and treason. TL;DR: it's sedition when you're domestic, treason when you're foreign. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago I r o n i c permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -35 points 2 years ago (4 children) No one has been charged for treason because guess what, it doesnt count as treason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your comment doesn't count as a contribution to discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, downvotes from people who don't know the difference between sedition and treason. TL;DR: it's sedition when you're domestic, treason when you're foreign. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago I r o n i c permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snooggums@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your comment doesn't count as a contribution to discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, downvotes from people who don't know the difference between sedition and treason. TL;DR: it's sedition when you're domestic, treason when you're foreign. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago I r o n i c permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago I r o n i c permalink fedilink source parent
[+] uis@lemm.ee -12 points 2 years ago (1 child) In what prison Putin is now? Here's the answer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago The US doesn't have jurisdiction to enforce laws on Putin without an invasion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aatube@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago The US doesn't have jurisdiction to enforce laws on Putin without an invasion permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -48 points 2 years ago* (6 children) Buildings burn and people die when overthrow is attempted. Therefore that's exaggeration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago People did die... permalink fedilink source parent [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Your dictionary sucks lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Look at those downvotes. What did I say that was so bad? What do you think is going on here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You stated that "overthrow" is an exaggeration because buildings didn't burn or whatever. That's not the definition of overthrow. The fact is, people tried to overturn the US Presidential Election by extralegal means including force, with the intent of putting in place an illegitimate leader. That meets the definition of overthrow and insurrection. Of course, if you are operating on right wing propaganda instead of facts, you won't agree. And if your epistemology is clouded with superstitious thinking and unchecked cognitive biases, you won't ever be able to see through the bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That seems rather simplistic and idealistic. Like a cartoon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pepsi@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago 🤓 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago People did die... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Your dictionary sucks lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Look at those downvotes. What did I say that was so bad? What do you think is going on here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You stated that "overthrow" is an exaggeration because buildings didn't burn or whatever. That's not the definition of overthrow. The fact is, people tried to overturn the US Presidential Election by extralegal means including force, with the intent of putting in place an illegitimate leader. That meets the definition of overthrow and insurrection. Of course, if you are operating on right wing propaganda instead of facts, you won't agree. And if your epistemology is clouded with superstitious thinking and unchecked cognitive biases, you won't ever be able to see through the bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That seems rather simplistic and idealistic. Like a cartoon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Look at those downvotes. What did I say that was so bad? What do you think is going on here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You stated that "overthrow" is an exaggeration because buildings didn't burn or whatever. That's not the definition of overthrow. The fact is, people tried to overturn the US Presidential Election by extralegal means including force, with the intent of putting in place an illegitimate leader. That meets the definition of overthrow and insurrection. Of course, if you are operating on right wing propaganda instead of facts, you won't agree. And if your epistemology is clouded with superstitious thinking and unchecked cognitive biases, you won't ever be able to see through the bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That seems rather simplistic and idealistic. Like a cartoon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You stated that "overthrow" is an exaggeration because buildings didn't burn or whatever. That's not the definition of overthrow. The fact is, people tried to overturn the US Presidential Election by extralegal means including force, with the intent of putting in place an illegitimate leader. That meets the definition of overthrow and insurrection. Of course, if you are operating on right wing propaganda instead of facts, you won't agree. And if your epistemology is clouded with superstitious thinking and unchecked cognitive biases, you won't ever be able to see through the bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That seems rather simplistic and idealistic. Like a cartoon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That seems rather simplistic and idealistic. Like a cartoon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz [S] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Can't have bad opsec if you don't have an op to sec. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well that's where the FBI comes in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Followupquestion@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago It’s hard to justify infiltrating activist groups like Food Not Bombs if they never plan an attack on a federal building. For a fun listen, the second season of Bundyville talks about a small group with “anti-government” leanings and how the Feds tried to encourage them to act violently. My favorite part is when one Fed texted another Fed questioning their exact plan, because the cell of five members had multiple Feds! Multiple Feds to infiltrate and influence (what’s the exact line for entrapment I wonder) a small number of people and even then they were ineffective. I guess there weren’t enough lonely autistic teens in the group. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well that's where the FBI comes in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Followupquestion@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago It’s hard to justify infiltrating activist groups like Food Not Bombs if they never plan an attack on a federal building. For a fun listen, the second season of Bundyville talks about a small group with “anti-government” leanings and how the Feds tried to encourage them to act violently. My favorite part is when one Fed texted another Fed questioning their exact plan, because the cell of five members had multiple Feds! Multiple Feds to infiltrate and influence (what’s the exact line for entrapment I wonder) a small number of people and even then they were ineffective. I guess there weren’t enough lonely autistic teens in the group. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Followupquestion@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago It’s hard to justify infiltrating activist groups like Food Not Bombs if they never plan an attack on a federal building. For a fun listen, the second season of Bundyville talks about a small group with “anti-government” leanings and how the Feds tried to encourage them to act violently. My favorite part is when one Fed texted another Fed questioning their exact plan, because the cell of five members had multiple Feds! Multiple Feds to infiltrate and influence (what’s the exact line for entrapment I wonder) a small number of people and even then they were ineffective. I guess there weren’t enough lonely autistic teens in the group. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Ineffectual versus incompetent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Around here they are definitely the same picture permalink fedilink source parent