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Kids Online Safety Act gains enough supporters to pass the Senate (www.theverge.com)
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Kids Online Safety Act gains enough supporters to pass the Senate::The bill would create a duty of care for tech platforms to protect child and teen users.

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[–] 30 points 2 years ago (14 children)

How will this age verify actually work? Sure the big sites like Facebook might have to follow this law. But won't this just push kids to use less reputable sites or sites based outside of the US that don't have to follow US law?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    In the current draft, age verification is not required. The bill would require a study on the subject to be submitted with 1 year. The study would evaluate the most technologically feasible methods and options for developing systems to verify age at the device or operating system level. Definitely something to be fought every step of the way.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Probably you have to upload image of your ID... which stops absolutely nothing because you can just AI generate one. All the while it actually hurts normal people since when facebook gets hacked next, the hacker now has all your ID information alongside the other stuff they stole.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Not yet you can't. Legitimate verification sites automatically scan the uploaded picture for authenticity and I haven't seen any ai yet that would manage to circumvent it.

    Now if websites are all left to their own about age verification, they'll be able to toe the line and just have shit verification. If the government gets involved and sets up something that must be used it would be different. Either way it presents huge security risks and problems.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    There are fake IDs out there, preportedly AI generated, that can literally pass its barcode being scanned. My assumption is this is only in cases the ID is being checked for accurate data and verification bits, and not cross checking to a centralized database.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    But they couldn't pass the scan check that shows it was a picture taken of a physical ID card, and not a digitized copy, screen grab, or picture of an ID on another phone or computer screen.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    You don’t own a printer?..

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

    You know that shiny reflective bit on your ID? That part shows up through a camera very differently than on a printed piece of paper.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    I’ve taken photos of my id before, for verification purposes. I am 100% certain you are vastly overestimating the difficulty to create a workable fake.

    If the concern is a reflection effect, just replicate that effect pre-printing. If you can’t because they want different angles, just use some holographic tape that mimics the effect.

    But keep in mind, the fakes I’m talking about pass scrutiny by cops who have the literal fake in their hands. I doubt a still photo or even video is going to be a huge hurdle.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You don't understand that there's not a shiny reflective ink option in your printer?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    … You don’t understand that stickers exist? Or that you can replicate the reflection for a specific angle before printing?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ok. Kudos to you if you find a 16 year old kid that has a good color printer, photoshops out all the reflective portions of an ID, finds and purchases illegally sold transparent reflective stickers that matches up to the ones specifically to his state, and takes a picture of it so he can go back to doomscrolling tiktok vids.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    My friend, you can just order a fake online. It gets delivered to your door, and would pass any KYC or verification out there unless it cross references actual government databases.

    If you want to go cheap, you can generate it, and print at a local library, or a print shop.

    I don’t understand why you think “having a color printer” and “knows how to edit images” is a high bar for entry. Especially when you just need one kid in a school to enable the whole school to get access.

    This isn’t complicated.

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