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What can you get to within a 15-minute walk of your house? (mediacdn.aus.social)
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What can you get to within a 15-minute walk of your house?

A recent YouGov survey asked Americans what they think they should be able to get to within a 15-minute walk of their house.

Of these choices, I can currently walk to all of them from my apartment, aside from a university (no biggie, I'm not currently studying, although there is a Tafe within walking distance), a hospital, and a sports arena.

How many can you get to with a 15 minute walk from your house?

#fuckcars #walkability #urbanism #UrbanPlanning @fuck_cars #walking

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[–] 27 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

What's the point in being able to walk to a gas station anyway?

I don't think I've ever done that in the 30 years or so that I've visited them.

But don't walk to the bar. You definitely want to drive there.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Most gas stations also serve as small shops. I can understand the desire to have one nearby when you don't have the language to describe a bodega or corner store.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yup here in Canada the gas station or "co-op" is the hub of a small town. It's where you get your mail, groceries, snacks, smokes, pizza and sandwiches, farm supplies, and lean up against the counter and drink coffee and chat with the neighbours and staff. Oh yeah and they have gas, but you'd better move your truck before you pour your coffee or the next guy who needs gas is gonna be pissed at you.

    I have spent far more time socializing at gas stations than bars. See the example "Corner Gas"

    Note that aside from the "park" which you could call "everywhere around here", I am 2 hours of highway travel away from everything on the list. Except the gas station, which is a half-hour drive on gravel/dirt roads.

    Needless to say I can see how fuckcars appeals to city folk, but there is no other practical transportation system for us farmers who live way out here. Without a vehicle, you will actually die. I like to go visit my city friends and walk to the bar, though :D

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah the concept of a gas station isn't going to go away. Maybe it might be a "charge station" or something like that, but an electric car still has tires that might need air, still has a windshield you might want to squeegee, and people are still going to want to get some snacks and smokes or whatever. If anything it'll be more of a thing since an EV takes longer to charge than gassing up. Probably the Corner Gas setup with a diner next door will be very popular... get a bite to eat while the car recharges.

    Just seems like the oil companies are being weirdos for not installing some charge stations at their gas stations right now.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Chargers are starting to show up on the major highways and in the cities and large towns, but it'll be awhile before they show up in the countryside (if ever) thanks to the chicken and egg issue. It's a waste of money installing one, because nobody ever brings an electric car out here. And nobody brings an electric car, because without a charger, they don't have the capacity for a round trip.

    I actually went the opposite way and bought a diesel Mercedes for my city trips. Reliable, comfortable, and so efficient that you can go for 1000km without stopping for fuel.

    I even have an electric car, a little runabout I use at the farm with lead acid cells. I could make it to town, but without being able to charge it there, I couldn't get home (30 km lol lead acid sucks).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's not exactly a chicken and egg problem when you can charge an electric car at home. People that need a fast charging station are going to tend to be people that are living in an apartment building with a parking garage that doesn't have charging infrastructure and people taking longer trips. Which is why you see more need for them in cities and along highways.

    I even have an electric car, a little runabout I use at the farm with lead acid cells. I could make it to town, but without being able to charge it there, I couldn’t get home (30 km lol lead acid sucks).

    Newer battery technology has significantly more range. Not sure what point you're making about older technology not being able to do what newer technology can.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Charging at home is what makes this specific situation chicken and egg. Since the gas station is the only thing close to our homes, a charger there is useless to us. It only services people who would come from the city, people who wouldn't be able to make it home without charging, much like how it currently works for us making trips to the city. Without a charger though, they can't even think of making that trip or they will be stuck.

    I'm not really making a point about my little car, except that I love it and I wish used lithium batteries were more available in Canada so that I could install a set that would get it to town and back for the mail. It's one of the first street-legal electrics ever produced and I'd love to keep it going. 1978!

    I guess if there is a point it's kind of a microscale version of the Canadian issue - in rural Canada, every trip is a long trip. I can't think of many places that I go that wouldn't require fast charging to complete the round trip, especially in winter.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Probably people don't want to live near a bar because of the other side effects, like drunken people and noise issues. But yeah walk it transit to the bar is the way

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    15 minutes away? That's almost up to a mile!

    I have 8 or 10 bars within 5 minutes walk and there's zero noise or other detectable influence. I get more inconvenience from the churches 3 minutes walk away.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I didn't say they were right, but I can imagine that's why a lot of them put that.

    There's a local bar near me that was trying to get a zoning variance to replace their surface parking lot with outdoor seating and a bunch of people who lived nearby showed up to complain about "noise". It's pretty ridiculous we require parking for a bar at all to be honest.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm probably like a 5 minute walk, so I make the trip to my gas station mainly for drunk munches or to re-up alcohol. Mainly the 7-11 part of the gas station.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    So, wouldn’t “Convenience Store” be a better category? My 7-11 is the second closest convenience store: it does NOT include a gas station but is closer to one, and more important for walking

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