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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Really. For the vast majority of packaging, what the fuck was wrong with just using cardboard? Even if 99.99999999% of the stuff winds up in a landfill, at least cardboard is theoretically renewable and will biodegrade in less than a thousand lifetimes.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Cardboard and paper bags went out of style because of the "save the rainforest" narrative. Even though most paper products are made from trees specifically grown to be harvested for their wood.

That's why we started using plastic bags at grocery stores, remember?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

That was what they told us. The reason they actually did it was because they were giving us the bags and they cost a nickel. where plastic bags cost them 5 for a penny.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Hemp is very versatile and can be used to make similar paper products while growing at a much faster rate, which potentially makes it a good replacement. The association with marijuana is part of what prevented it from catching on though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Mostly it was the paper and textile industries lobbying against cannabis so that the superior products that can be made with hemp were illegal and didn't stand in the way of their infrastructure and market segment.

That alone probably fueled the drug war against it as much as the government using it to crack down on any minority they could illustrate as using it more often.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Their green washing BS lists that it has to be harvested more as a negative.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

...like lumber doesnt take far more effort per harvest, as well as take longer to grow?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Besides timber the no.1 reason is agricultural land

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So what about samples (amongst other parts of the entire process) for food-grade products from the manufacturer? I work at a corn syrup manufacturing plant, and there's no way you can ship corn syrup in cardboard. You would get mold, easily.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I think it'd be very easy to use plastic when we actually need it, and other materials for everything else.

Unfortunately businesses and stockholders disagree.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much nothing biodegrades in a landfill though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Then why do they have to deal with so much methane?