When Al-Qaeda themselves claimed responsibility, even with overwhelming evidence aside? Why were so many people still reluctant, I was researching about this stuff and was shocked to see people who I respect a lot believe in this

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[–] 13 points 2 years ago (17 children)

I think you need to reassess these people you respect a lot. Belief in 9-11 conspiracy theories is not common.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    The Venn Diagram overlap between anti-vaxxers, 9-11 'truthers', and flat earthers is nearly a circle

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Some would call them "independent thinkers"

    What's more admirable, to conform and be right or to think independently and be wrong?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (14 children)

    I think the weaponization of ignorance is a more nuanced subject than a binary choice.

    There is no merit in pushing significantly disproven 'theories' like flat earthism.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

    No doubt. But dang, when they call themself right because they quote the most popular authority, I feel a strong impulse to play it wrong.

    I mean, I'd push flat-eartherism just to highlight the absurdity of the popular epistemology. But that's generally a pearls-before-swine situation.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Funny you mention that, there is a Flat Earth society that was started as a joke with members just arguing for fun.

    They were mostly all replaced by true believers by the late 90s, I got to watch it happen.

    And it plays out the same way in so many 'ironic stupidity' forums.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    The true believers have more zip than the careful contemplators, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (10 children)

    This is a flaw in human nature that needs to be resolved before we move forward as a species.

    It is no longer a survival benefit to follow loud, angry people.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

    I dunno man. The ugly sciencey guy is a hard sell. There's gotta be a third option.

    Smiling grandfather in nice suit? Sexy fascist lady? Furry?

    It's all theater anyway. The mob does not respond to reason.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (8 children)

    I think Bill Nye gives us the best template: A kind of sciency guy with a background in media production.

    The mob doesn't respond to reason but it loves to be entertained, which is why we need more science communicators.

    We need a Bob Ross for STEM.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

    Or we could just do what's proven to work.

    One lie-spewing puppet for the people who like vanilla. Another for those who prefer chocolate. Maybe a third for those strawberry-loving weirdos.

    We want to keep them (the oblivious masses) marching in the right direction. That's all. Truth is utterly beside the point.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    Is everyone from lemm.ee deranged?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Spoken like a good, right-thinking citizen. You clearly consume only the most truthful of news-streams.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    The projection is delicious, you have no idea where I get my info from.

    But I bet dollars to donuts that you have newsmax on your bookmarks bar.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Ok

    Spoken like a bad, wrong-thinking citizen. You clearly consume only the most dishonest of news-streams.

    Better?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children)

    You don't need my approval to post, my dude.

    Telling how you didn't comment on the Newsmax part.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I honestly don't even know what a "newsmax" is. Is that the "bad" news stream?

    Just out of curiosity, what's the "good" news stream?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    No single stream, that's the point. Everyone has a bias and only comparing different perspectives can you approach something objective.

    Every forum becomes enshittified over a few years so there is no single place you can go anymore with even a hint of objectivity.

    See everything and think for yourself and wonder why people are spending so much energy convincing you their bias is correct.

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