▲ 200 ▼ Russia deploying Starlink in Ukraine—reports (www.newsweek.com) submitted 2 years ago by LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml 37 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] justdoitlater@lemmy.world 94 points 2 years ago (24 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] wildncrazyguy@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago* (8 children) I mean, I’m not a Musk fan in the least, but the article does say that the receivers are being sold through an intermediary in Dubai, perhaps unbeknownst to Musk and SpaceX. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bisby@lemmy.world 90 points 2 years ago (7 children) Because of how starlink works, they have to aim satellites specifically at areas for data to flow. They have the ability to turn regions on and off (ie, satellites over China). They know exactly where the transceivers are and based on movement patterns, probably which side they are on. Unless he is feeding that position data to the Ukrainian military, he knows exactly who is using them and letting it happen. He didnt sell them the dishes, but he lets them be used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Are you saying there is no authentication whatsoever to use it and anyone with the receiver in Ukraine can just use it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] creesco@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't have starlink nor used it, but if it's anything like other commercial sat internet providers, you register your modem's MAC address or other identifier with the satellite operator and that basically enables you for transmission. It could be that these modems were already authorized for transmission before resale to Russia. You can buy starlink modems in big box stores now so I'm sure the transmission process is automated as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) That is what's happening. SpaceX knows which satellites were sold to the Ukrainian government though and could apply additional filtering. That's the easiest first step. To prevent Ukrainian dishes from falling into Russian hands you'd also need some sort of rolling authentication code so the dish becomes inoperable after a period of time. Simply being in Russian territory doesn't guarantee a Russian is using it as it could be Ukrainian special forces deep in enemy territory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Russian "territory". Front lines move. So does command. How do you know where the cut off line is if its a fluid vs fixed line in the sand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* You probably can't easily at the front lines. But you probably could past a threshold? permalink fedilink source parent [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago It's very important that only "good" Corporations allow only "good" people to use their products. permalink fedilink source parent [–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago How are you telling the absolute definite difference between who's using which transceiver in that area and which ones should you turn on or off? permalink fedilink source parent [–] kemsat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago To South Africa? permalink fedilink source parent [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago The US isn't at war with Russia sweaty. permalink fedilink source parent [–] krolden@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (7 children) Two whom? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) The United States. Of course, you could also argue that Musk is a traitor to all rational creatures everywhere, and that his existence is an act of blasphemy against all that is good and moral in the world, but that’s a separate issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] krolden@lemmy.ml -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) He's not an elected official and AFAIK doing business with Russia would be a sanctions violation which does not equate treason. He's just doing what the system allows for rich assholes to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) By definition, a citizen is guilty of treason when he gives succor (aid and comfort) to his nation’s enemies. Musk gives a lot of succor to America’s enemies, he succors them real hard, if you know what I mean. Edit: Brace yourselves everyone, the Putin/Musk apologetics have begun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Yikes. What defines an "enemy" of america? Is it just whatever the government says? Has the US always been at war with Eurasia? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Humanity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago That's just capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent [+] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml -11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] justdoitlater@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) He is a traitor to humanity, he sells himself for money and power while shitting democracy, human rights, freedom. And yes, fuck Putin, Putin is the worst humanity has to offer, murder, lack of freedom,.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Yeah well by that logic the majority of the leaders of the world are traitors to humanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] justdoitlater@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yup permalink fedilink source parent [+] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wildncrazyguy@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago* (8 children) I mean, I’m not a Musk fan in the least, but the article does say that the receivers are being sold through an intermediary in Dubai, perhaps unbeknownst to Musk and SpaceX. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bisby@lemmy.world 90 points 2 years ago (7 children) Because of how starlink works, they have to aim satellites specifically at areas for data to flow. They have the ability to turn regions on and off (ie, satellites over China). They know exactly where the transceivers are and based on movement patterns, probably which side they are on. Unless he is feeding that position data to the Ukrainian military, he knows exactly who is using them and letting it happen. He didnt sell them the dishes, but he lets them be used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Are you saying there is no authentication whatsoever to use it and anyone with the receiver in Ukraine can just use it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] creesco@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't have starlink nor used it, but if it's anything like other commercial sat internet providers, you register your modem's MAC address or other identifier with the satellite operator and that basically enables you for transmission. It could be that these modems were already authorized for transmission before resale to Russia. You can buy starlink modems in big box stores now so I'm sure the transmission process is automated as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) That is what's happening. SpaceX knows which satellites were sold to the Ukrainian government though and could apply additional filtering. That's the easiest first step. To prevent Ukrainian dishes from falling into Russian hands you'd also need some sort of rolling authentication code so the dish becomes inoperable after a period of time. Simply being in Russian territory doesn't guarantee a Russian is using it as it could be Ukrainian special forces deep in enemy territory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Russian "territory". Front lines move. So does command. How do you know where the cut off line is if its a fluid vs fixed line in the sand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* You probably can't easily at the front lines. But you probably could past a threshold? permalink fedilink source parent [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago It's very important that only "good" Corporations allow only "good" people to use their products. permalink fedilink source parent [–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago How are you telling the absolute definite difference between who's using which transceiver in that area and which ones should you turn on or off? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bisby@lemmy.world 90 points 2 years ago (7 children) Because of how starlink works, they have to aim satellites specifically at areas for data to flow. They have the ability to turn regions on and off (ie, satellites over China). They know exactly where the transceivers are and based on movement patterns, probably which side they are on. Unless he is feeding that position data to the Ukrainian military, he knows exactly who is using them and letting it happen. He didnt sell them the dishes, but he lets them be used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Are you saying there is no authentication whatsoever to use it and anyone with the receiver in Ukraine can just use it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] creesco@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't have starlink nor used it, but if it's anything like other commercial sat internet providers, you register your modem's MAC address or other identifier with the satellite operator and that basically enables you for transmission. It could be that these modems were already authorized for transmission before resale to Russia. You can buy starlink modems in big box stores now so I'm sure the transmission process is automated as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) That is what's happening. SpaceX knows which satellites were sold to the Ukrainian government though and could apply additional filtering. That's the easiest first step. To prevent Ukrainian dishes from falling into Russian hands you'd also need some sort of rolling authentication code so the dish becomes inoperable after a period of time. Simply being in Russian territory doesn't guarantee a Russian is using it as it could be Ukrainian special forces deep in enemy territory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Russian "territory". Front lines move. So does command. How do you know where the cut off line is if its a fluid vs fixed line in the sand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* You probably can't easily at the front lines. But you probably could past a threshold? permalink fedilink source parent [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago It's very important that only "good" Corporations allow only "good" people to use their products. permalink fedilink source parent [–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago How are you telling the absolute definite difference between who's using which transceiver in that area and which ones should you turn on or off? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] takeda@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Are you saying there is no authentication whatsoever to use it and anyone with the receiver in Ukraine can just use it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] creesco@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't have starlink nor used it, but if it's anything like other commercial sat internet providers, you register your modem's MAC address or other identifier with the satellite operator and that basically enables you for transmission. It could be that these modems were already authorized for transmission before resale to Russia. You can buy starlink modems in big box stores now so I'm sure the transmission process is automated as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) That is what's happening. SpaceX knows which satellites were sold to the Ukrainian government though and could apply additional filtering. That's the easiest first step. To prevent Ukrainian dishes from falling into Russian hands you'd also need some sort of rolling authentication code so the dish becomes inoperable after a period of time. Simply being in Russian territory doesn't guarantee a Russian is using it as it could be Ukrainian special forces deep in enemy territory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Russian "territory". Front lines move. So does command. How do you know where the cut off line is if its a fluid vs fixed line in the sand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* You probably can't easily at the front lines. But you probably could past a threshold? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] creesco@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't have starlink nor used it, but if it's anything like other commercial sat internet providers, you register your modem's MAC address or other identifier with the satellite operator and that basically enables you for transmission. It could be that these modems were already authorized for transmission before resale to Russia. You can buy starlink modems in big box stores now so I'm sure the transmission process is automated as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) That is what's happening. SpaceX knows which satellites were sold to the Ukrainian government though and could apply additional filtering. That's the easiest first step. To prevent Ukrainian dishes from falling into Russian hands you'd also need some sort of rolling authentication code so the dish becomes inoperable after a period of time. Simply being in Russian territory doesn't guarantee a Russian is using it as it could be Ukrainian special forces deep in enemy territory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Russian "territory". Front lines move. So does command. How do you know where the cut off line is if its a fluid vs fixed line in the sand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* You probably can't easily at the front lines. But you probably could past a threshold? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) That is what's happening. SpaceX knows which satellites were sold to the Ukrainian government though and could apply additional filtering. That's the easiest first step. To prevent Ukrainian dishes from falling into Russian hands you'd also need some sort of rolling authentication code so the dish becomes inoperable after a period of time. Simply being in Russian territory doesn't guarantee a Russian is using it as it could be Ukrainian special forces deep in enemy territory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Russian "territory". Front lines move. So does command. How do you know where the cut off line is if its a fluid vs fixed line in the sand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* You probably can't easily at the front lines. But you probably could past a threshold? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Russian "territory". Front lines move. So does command. How do you know where the cut off line is if its a fluid vs fixed line in the sand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* You probably can't easily at the front lines. But you probably could past a threshold? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* You probably can't easily at the front lines. But you probably could past a threshold? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago It's very important that only "good" Corporations allow only "good" people to use their products. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago How are you telling the absolute definite difference between who's using which transceiver in that area and which ones should you turn on or off? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago The US isn't at war with Russia sweaty. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] krolden@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (7 children) Two whom? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) The United States. Of course, you could also argue that Musk is a traitor to all rational creatures everywhere, and that his existence is an act of blasphemy against all that is good and moral in the world, but that’s a separate issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] krolden@lemmy.ml -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) He's not an elected official and AFAIK doing business with Russia would be a sanctions violation which does not equate treason. He's just doing what the system allows for rich assholes to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) By definition, a citizen is guilty of treason when he gives succor (aid and comfort) to his nation’s enemies. Musk gives a lot of succor to America’s enemies, he succors them real hard, if you know what I mean. Edit: Brace yourselves everyone, the Putin/Musk apologetics have begun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Yikes. What defines an "enemy" of america? Is it just whatever the government says? Has the US always been at war with Eurasia? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Humanity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago That's just capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) The United States. Of course, you could also argue that Musk is a traitor to all rational creatures everywhere, and that his existence is an act of blasphemy against all that is good and moral in the world, but that’s a separate issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] krolden@lemmy.ml -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) He's not an elected official and AFAIK doing business with Russia would be a sanctions violation which does not equate treason. He's just doing what the system allows for rich assholes to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) By definition, a citizen is guilty of treason when he gives succor (aid and comfort) to his nation’s enemies. Musk gives a lot of succor to America’s enemies, he succors them real hard, if you know what I mean. Edit: Brace yourselves everyone, the Putin/Musk apologetics have begun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Yikes. What defines an "enemy" of america? Is it just whatever the government says? Has the US always been at war with Eurasia? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] krolden@lemmy.ml -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) He's not an elected official and AFAIK doing business with Russia would be a sanctions violation which does not equate treason. He's just doing what the system allows for rich assholes to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) By definition, a citizen is guilty of treason when he gives succor (aid and comfort) to his nation’s enemies. Musk gives a lot of succor to America’s enemies, he succors them real hard, if you know what I mean. Edit: Brace yourselves everyone, the Putin/Musk apologetics have begun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Yikes. What defines an "enemy" of america? Is it just whatever the government says? Has the US always been at war with Eurasia? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) By definition, a citizen is guilty of treason when he gives succor (aid and comfort) to his nation’s enemies. Musk gives a lot of succor to America’s enemies, he succors them real hard, if you know what I mean. Edit: Brace yourselves everyone, the Putin/Musk apologetics have begun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Yikes. What defines an "enemy" of america? Is it just whatever the government says? Has the US always been at war with Eurasia? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Yikes. What defines an "enemy" of america? Is it just whatever the government says? Has the US always been at war with Eurasia? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Humanity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago That's just capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml -11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] justdoitlater@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) He is a traitor to humanity, he sells himself for money and power while shitting democracy, human rights, freedom. And yes, fuck Putin, Putin is the worst humanity has to offer, murder, lack of freedom,.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Yeah well by that logic the majority of the leaders of the world are traitors to humanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] justdoitlater@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yup permalink fedilink source parent [+] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] justdoitlater@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) He is a traitor to humanity, he sells himself for money and power while shitting democracy, human rights, freedom. And yes, fuck Putin, Putin is the worst humanity has to offer, murder, lack of freedom,.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Yeah well by that logic the majority of the leaders of the world are traitors to humanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] justdoitlater@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yup permalink fedilink source parent [+] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Yeah well by that logic the majority of the leaders of the world are traitors to humanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] justdoitlater@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yup permalink fedilink source parent [+] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent