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the fuck. apparently I secretly do run rationality.

scratching his itch to be productive by traveling the world and doing charity via talking with cool, smart people about meaningful ideas.

i'd want some pretty convincing evidence that the bit after "and" goes with the word "productive".

@Geoffrey Miller, with his own long history of serious, sincere engagement within the rationalist community,

uh yeah lol ok

I follow drama and blow-ups in a lot of different subcultures. It's my job.

Wait, you can get paid for this???

A thing that is sort of amazing about that article (by Woodgrains, who is supposed to be part of the leftwing people of themotte) is that their complaints about journalism being unfair to them is said by everybody all the time in every subculture when there is a non 100% puff piece on their subculture.

The problem with journalists is that they tend to shine a light on the parts of your subculture that you pretend isn't there, but a part that you should really check out and do something about (a bit like that mole, ow god I'm projecting and need to call my doctor). How can you be a grown person and not have seen this happen to several groups over and over again already? How sheltered and only inside LW spheres are these people? (Rhetorical)

And this is without talking about how journalist are pressured for time, underpaid, etc etc. Seeing how six months of work isn't enough to uncover the truth in their own paid sex slaves (yes, this is the intentionally worst way to describe that situation) and more work keeps piling up on up on just that case with claims, counterclaims, miss attributions etc should ~~tell them something~~ update their priors about just how much work and how difficult journalism is, but it will not.

(I know Woodgrains is praising the ability of LW to criticize themselves, but crucially he doesn't really seem to notice that nothing changes, the various racists/sexists etc are still there and talking about happy birthdays (urgh). But hey at least it got Gwern mad)

The EA/LW community loves to think from first principles, and that is usually one of its finest traits. I notice and respect the times their first-principles thinking leads them to be correct about things broader society is incorrect about—a regular occurrence.

[citation fucking needed]