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Listen, this user is a terminally online anarchist who complains about tankies and calls Stalin genocidal. But shes correct about this one. Mostly. I mean using the term "bedtime abolition" sounds dumb but Im pretty sure she only did that because its a common joke about anarchists. The core point is about how 9-5 work schedules dont work for everyone. As an ND person who struggles with culturally normal sleep schedules, I absolutely agree that society needs to accomodate these things. I absolutely agree that its literally normal talk everyone says that work schedules suck.

People saying "just go to bed on time" or "just pop a melatonin" have never been in the position of trying to do that and failing, just laying awake for hours until you finally fall asleep two hours before you need to be up.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To me it seems that standardized business hours arise from cooperation in the work place, which increased exponentially with the industrial revolution. Capitalist, socialist, whatever, if you have people cooperating in factories (e.g.) then they have to be there at the same time. So "bedtime abolition" seems utopian because it is the practical consequence of a cooperative productive process, and it can't be abolished without abolishing the actual basis, cooperative labor, or more specifically the necessity of simultaneous work. Our production would have to change such that work is parceled out in time-independent units, which is possible for a lot of industries, but by a structural change and not by decree. Software development is cooperative but does not typically require that developers cooperate in real time, for example.

And of course, the above is made all the more severe by the actual duration of the working day. If people only had to work 4 hours per day, then it would be far easier to handle standard business hours of 10a-2p for example, even if they technically are not flexible hours.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

That's literally a On Authority passage

Though I totally think that a futuristic communist mode of production would allow for ultra flexible work schedules taking advantage of low workloads, but that's unfortunately not something we will live to see