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She got dunked on heavily for this, but itd bad framing of a good argument at worst. (hexbear.net)
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Listen, this user is a terminally online anarchist who complains about tankies and calls Stalin genocidal. But shes correct about this one. Mostly. I mean using the term "bedtime abolition" sounds dumb but Im pretty sure she only did that because its a common joke about anarchists. The core point is about how 9-5 work schedules dont work for everyone. As an ND person who struggles with culturally normal sleep schedules, I absolutely agree that society needs to accomodate these things. I absolutely agree that its literally normal talk everyone says that work schedules suck.

People saying "just go to bed on time" or "just pop a melatonin" have never been in the position of trying to do that and failing, just laying awake for hours until you finally fall asleep two hours before you need to be up.

https://nitter.net/moonlit_misfit/status/1743350718944121067

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[–] 59 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Bedtime discourse is a waste of energy and bandwidth when 4 day work week is an actually viable improvement that could happen in our lifetimes. Dividing our attention between different time-based issues is a surefire way to reduce effectiveness at getting either of them achieved.

Anyway Flexi-Time is already a standard thing used by huge quantities of businesses, it's widely adopted in the UK even by government. It literally eliminates this issue.

Stop talking about bedtimes and start organising to drag your company into giving Flexitime as a concession to workers.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    100-com

    This kind of specific labor issue is best fought consciously through working class solidarity, such as labor unions or larger political movements. But the emphasis and perspective should always be on labor as a class, not on particular issues that are only a consequence of the capital-labor contradiction.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Well yes that's the solution, and I'm sure she'd agree. Highlighting particular ways in which capitalism crushes people's souls is a part of the discourse, going back to Marx and even further.

    It really feels like everyone in this thread is reacting to the political aesthetic of this person and then putting in extra effort to find some sort of dunk on her.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It really feels like everyone in this thread is reacting to the political aesthetic of this person and then putting in extra effort to find some sort of dunk on her.

    Seriously. We should be above twitter style dunk thirst here. We arent quote tweeting her with a charachter limited dunk for engagement farming lol

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    The problem is that they bring up a real issue in a dumb way, and in so doing, actually harm the cause instead of helping it. Having a bedtime is not the root of people's problems so I personally find it valid to criticize their self-righteousness, because people tune out when online leftists complain that their brilliance is unrecognized.

    To say nothing because the general vibe of their tweet is good is the sixth type of liberalism. Though, criticizing behind their back over here on Hexbear is the second type, so I guess I'm a lib too.

    That said I basically agree with you about the importance of highlighting the particular flaws of capitalism in order to increase consciousness, and also that we shouldn't be hung up on aesthetic.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The problem is that they bring up a real issue in a dumb way, and in so doing, actually harm the cause instead of helping it.

    I don't know that these tweets matter that much.

    The internet is such a shitty place to organize because it draws people into these obtuse theoretical nitpickings. It all feels so bad faith. In person it's always much easier to forgive someone's botched phrasing when you know their heart and head are in the right place. /minirant

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Then why are we talking about it all though? OP made it clear this is someone who generally makes bad points, and they did a bad job making this (potentially good) point. So what's the point of using them or their tweets to start this discussion?

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