The Atlantic: Nobody Knows What’s Happening Online Anymore. Why you’ve probably never heard of the most popular Netflix show in the world.::undefined

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[–] 125 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (41 children)

An insightful thought from a TV critic I read years ago just as streaming was taking off :

There’s no such thing as the best TV show anymore, because there’s so much that’s generally good enough to be a candidate that no one person has watched it all and spent the time to assess it properly.


More broadly, this had happened to western culture with the internet. Previously, with only three tv channels and two major papers, we were all literally on the same page.

I’d go further and say there’s a vertical dimension too in terms of complexity. Society and its various aspects such as technology are now complex enough in total they I don’t think anyone can ever say they understand what’s going on.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    One of the worst catalysts of this is when channels started dropping entire seasons of shows at once online to appease le epic binge watching culture. But when everyone watches something new like that at once, there's no time to actually appreciate anything or discuss the story or build anticipation, it just gets burned through and forgotten within 2 weeks.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    It does still allow for catch-up at the end of the run though. I prefer to binge watch, but now I wait a few months for it all to be released and then watch it. Which still doesn't allow for week to week discussion, but fits my watching patterns better.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Yea for sure.

    I think that whole thing of dropping whole seasons and how it’s kinda faded somewhat is an interesting case study of this particular internet culture moment.

    Where we think we want more and faster but have lost sight that that’s just a dumb dopamine mentality left unbalanced and unmitigated and that we actually prefer more traditional forms of various things.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    At the same time look at novels, when one comes out it doesn't get released one 10 pages chapter at a time...

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sometimes they do. Dickens and Tolstoy wrote and published serially. So do an awful lot of fanfic writers in the present day.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    And then there was the weekly Dracula thing popular on Tumblr a few years ago where they take a non serialized novel (as far as I know) and split it up based on the dates of the correspondence within, going a level further than serialization and delivering the story "real time" as the letters and newspapers were sent/published in the story.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The only reason they've gone back to slow drip releases is to milk your engagement and subscription.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Okay and what's wrong with seeking engagement with whatever they're making (which every person who makes anything does) and trying to ensure continued subscription, which makes sense given the business? I agree that streaming has generally become ridiculous and diluted, but there's nothing inherently wrong with wanting people to watch stuff and attempting to ensure a steady revenue stream to do it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Is watching the whole series not enough? For me it's removing the option to choose my own pace. People can choose to watch slowly if they want, but you can't binge if it's not available. I dont even bother with shows until the whole season is out, so it's limiting the engagement for me, but that's my own preference.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    A lot of people cancel after watching the series. Releasing over several weeks allows for a continual revenue stream over those weeks. For people who like bingeing, the show is pretty much always up in full at the end of its run.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I use the phrase “societal decoheshion” to describe that. We (whoever that may be) just aren’t all that unified enough in our culture or information sources anymore.

    Even just since Reddit became dead to us, my wife (who I met through Reddit) and I went to different platforms, and find ourselves often catching each other up on what our respective corners of the internet are doing.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    There are tons of young millionaire youtubers who I've never heard of. It's pretty cool actually that there are so many niches to fill.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    And plenty of poor low-subscriber channels that are actually really good and could blow up at some point.

    I’ve certainly watched some people from before they were big and from memory their content was more or less just as good in the “early” days. Which all up makes for a pile of stuff!

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  • [+] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children)
  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I can't remember what channel, but somebody did an experiment with not doing the ridiculous thumbnails and got way fewer views. Which sort of gets at the point of this article: the are huge swaths of people that are clicking on them and that sounds super foreign to a lot of us.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    By what mechanism? Manual curation? Do you have any idea how much content is on that platform?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    That seems to be the only kind of trash content that Google is interested in pushing these days.

    Youtube "pushes" whatever gets more views and longer watch time.

    If trashy crap is being suggested, that means other people are watching it in increased numbers.

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  • [+] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Google pushes what you click. Stop watching this kind of content and it'll probably stop being recommended to you

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    There IS a best TV show and it’s Six Feet Under and it’s perfect and the ending makes me cri every time and I will FIGHT ANYONE WHO DISAGREES

    But srsly it’s a 10/10

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    My wife and I just finished the finale tonight, and it was a great ending. Very little ambiguity, real closure, and an emotionally appropriate song.

    But, I think it is far from "the best TV show". It may have been "the best" for a TV drama when it came out because it was groundbreaking, but the acting and writing at times could be pretty bad (so many dropped plots with no follow-up or consequences). It also went on for far too long, which was a consequence of having to create 12 episodes per season, each the same length.

    It's worth watching, but I'd give it a 7.8/10.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    That’s entirely fair. I watched it for the first time a decade (decades?) after it some out and it really struck a chord with me.

    Then I began to date someone who is a funeral director and they didn’t know of its existence. I introduced them to it after having it be the first show I actually cried at and we both cried. So I have an emotional bias.

    I still 10/10 it (and I’m harsh on movies and shows) because of my subjective experience.

    Quick edit: I would love to know what show you would rate better. Not in an antagonistic sense, I am fully open to other opinions and I know mine is not THE CORRECT one. It’s just the show that hit me the hardest and that was before I was married to (or knew) my funeral director/mortician. Five years before.

    Other edit : the worst dropped plot in the best show was The Sopranos rape plot. They just kinda.. didn’t do anything with it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Also following because I like good recommendations. I don't know if I have one that I would necessarily rate 10/10 as the best show ever, but the first show that honestly had me cry/feel real feelings was Scrubs. And while it's up there, I still don't think I'd give it 10/10 myself.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Edit: I can't believe I forgot Baskets. That show is a masterpiece.

    There are a few shows I'd rate higher: Breaking Bad (although it had it's share of 'throw away' episodes), Reservation Dogs, Battlestar Galactica (so many throw away episodes), The Newsroom, and Deadwood. I think Deadwood would be my highest ranking, especially for writing and acting.

    Obviously I'm sure plenty of examples can be given for why Six Feet Under is better than each of the shows I've listed, but that's the beauty of subjective lists!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Breaking Bad was fucking stellar but there’s a couple shows I’d put higher—definitely The Sopranos, even though it took me maaaany years to get around to watching it! I followed breaking bad as it came out and loved it but I’ve yet to find a show that is as interesting as/hits me as hard as SixFunder.

    I tried to watch deadwood and BSG and just couldn’t get into them. Maybe I give Deadwood another go!

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