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OpenAI says it could ‘cease operating’ in the EU if it can’t comply with future regulation (www.theverge.com)
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In addition to the possible business threat, forcing OpenAI to identify its use of copyrighted data would expose the company to potential lawsuits. Generative AI systems like ChatGPT and DALL-E are trained using large amounts of data scraped from the web, much of it copyright protected. When companies disclose these data sources it leaves them open to legal challenges. OpenAI rival Stability AI, for example, is currently being sued by stock image maker Getty Images for using its copyrighted data to train its AI image generator.

Aaaaaand there it is. They don’t want to admit how much copyrighted materials they’ve been using.

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Can I get an AI to eventually write another book in Terry Pratchett's style? Would his estate be entitled to some form of compensation?

No, that's fair use under parody. Weird Al isn't compensating other artists for parody, so the creators of OpenAI shouldn't either, just because their bot can make something that sounds like Pratchett or anyone else. I wrote a short story a while back that my friend said sounded like if Douglas Adams wrote dystopian fiction. Do I owe the Adams' estate if I were to publish it? The same goes for photography and art. If I take a picture of a pastel wall that happens to have an awkward person standing in front of it, do I owe Wes Anderson compensation? This is how we have to look at it. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. I can't justify punishing AI research and learning for doing the same things that humans already do.

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    That is the current stand of affairs yes. But it something that I think we will need to resolve as AI becomes better. When it becomes impossible to say which work was created by the human original and which by the AI.

    I do think it would be ethically wrong for a company to profit by mimicking someone's style exactly. What incentive remains for the original style or work to exist if you cannot earn a living from it.

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    I do think it would be ethically wrong for a company to profit by mimicking someone's style exactly. What incentive remains for the original style or work to exist if you cannot earn a living from it.

    That's where we differ in opinion. I create art because it's what I enjoy doing. It makes me happy. Would I like to profit from it? Sure, and I do, to some extent. However, you are conflating two ideas. Art created for profit is no longer art, it is a product. The definition fundamentally changes.

    I'm a writer, a photographer, and a cook. The first two I do for pleasure, the last for profit. If I write something that someone deems worthy to train an AI on, first, great, maybe I'm not as bad as I think I am. Second, though, it doesn't matter, because when I wrote what I wrote, it was a reflection of something that I personally felt, and I used my own data set of experience to create that art.

    The same thing goes for photography, though slightly differently. When I'm walking around with my camera and taking shots, I do it because something has made me feel an emotion that I can capture in a camera lens. I have also done some model shoots, where I am compensated for my time and effort. In those shoots, I search for art in composition and theme because that's what I'm paid for, but once I finish the shoot, and I give the photographs to the model, what they do with them is their own business. If they use them to train AI, then so be it. The AI might be able to make some 99% similar to what I've done, but it won't have what I had in the moment. It won't have the emotional connection to the art that I had.

    As far as the third, cooking, goes, I think it's the most important. When I follow a recipe, I'm doing exactly what the AI does. I use my data set to create something that is a copy of something someone else has done before. Maybe I tweak it here and there, but so does AI. I do this for profit. I feed people, and they pay me. Do I owe the man who created the Caesar Salad every time I sell one? It's his recipe. I make the dressing from scratch just like he did. I know that's not a perfect example, but I'm sure you can see the point I'm making.

    So, when it comes to Art v. Product, there are two different sides to it, and both have different answers. If you are worried about AI copying "art" then don't. It can't. Art is something that can only be created by the artist in the moment, and may be replicated, but can never truly be copied, in the same way that taking a photo of the Mona Lisa doesn't make me DaVinci. However, if it's a product, then we are talking about capitalism, and here we can see that there is no argument against AI, because it is only doing what we have been doing for forever. McDonalds may as well be the AI of fast food burgers. Pizza Hut the AI of pizza. Taco Bell the AI of TexMex. Capitalism is about finding faster, cheaper ways of producing products that people want. Supply and demand. If someone is creating a product, and their product can be manufactured faster, and cheaper, by the competition, then the onus is on the original creator to find a way to stand out from the competition, or lose their marketshare to the competitor. We can't hamper AI just because some busker is having a hard time selling his spray paint on bowl planet scape art. If you mass produce for the sake of profit, you can't complain when someone out-mass produces you, AI or human. That's the way of the world.

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