▲ 784 ▼ Mentally Deranged Behaviour (mander.xyz) submitted 2 years ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/science_memes@mander.xyz 26 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] might_steal_your_cat@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (5 children) What about 3D Venn diagrams, but the sets are spheres? permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] jadero@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think for maximum uselessness, they should not be overlapping spheres, but deform at the interface, like soap bubbles or rubber balls. As long as the spheres are the same size and modelled with the same "surface tension" or "elasticity", the "intersection" of two sets would then be a circular interface with an area proportional to what would otherwise be an overlap (I think). If the spheres have different sizes or are modelled with different surface tension or elasticity, one would "intrude" into the other. Multiple sets would have increasingly complex shapes that may or not also create volumes external to the deformed spheres but still surrounded by the various interfaces. Time to break out the mathematics of bubbles and foam. This data ain't gonna obscure itself! Might there actually be utility to something like this? Scrunch the spheres together but make invisible everything that is not an interface and label the faces accordingly. I suppose the same could be said of the shape described by overlapping. (Jesus, you'd think I was high or something. Just riffing.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jadero@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago No, that's not what I was thinking, but that sounds like a decent idea. Maybe a better idea than just simple labels representing the facing sphere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Venn diagrams, but the sets represent whatever the diagram is about (like houses for housing markets). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] might_steal_your_cat@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago So something like this? I love that idea! permalink fedilink source parent [–] abir_vandergriff@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Projected on a 2D screen, it'd look more like a normal venn diagram. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jadero@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago That's what 3D printing is for... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cynar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Volumetric Herbert space diagram. Why limit it to 3 dimensions? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why limit it to an integer number of dimensions? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because I'm not sure how to make it work in non integer dimensions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hansl@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Open your mind permalink fedilink source parent [–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How about 4D Venn diagrams? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) One might even go as far as 5D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago When I read your comment, my monocle popped right off! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jadero@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think for maximum uselessness, they should not be overlapping spheres, but deform at the interface, like soap bubbles or rubber balls. As long as the spheres are the same size and modelled with the same "surface tension" or "elasticity", the "intersection" of two sets would then be a circular interface with an area proportional to what would otherwise be an overlap (I think). If the spheres have different sizes or are modelled with different surface tension or elasticity, one would "intrude" into the other. Multiple sets would have increasingly complex shapes that may or not also create volumes external to the deformed spheres but still surrounded by the various interfaces. Time to break out the mathematics of bubbles and foam. This data ain't gonna obscure itself! Might there actually be utility to something like this? Scrunch the spheres together but make invisible everything that is not an interface and label the faces accordingly. I suppose the same could be said of the shape described by overlapping. (Jesus, you'd think I was high or something. Just riffing.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jadero@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago No, that's not what I was thinking, but that sounds like a decent idea. Maybe a better idea than just simple labels representing the facing sphere. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jadero@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago No, that's not what I was thinking, but that sounds like a decent idea. Maybe a better idea than just simple labels representing the facing sphere. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jadero@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago No, that's not what I was thinking, but that sounds like a decent idea. Maybe a better idea than just simple labels representing the facing sphere. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Venn diagrams, but the sets represent whatever the diagram is about (like houses for housing markets). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] might_steal_your_cat@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago So something like this? I love that idea! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] might_steal_your_cat@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago So something like this? I love that idea! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abir_vandergriff@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Projected on a 2D screen, it'd look more like a normal venn diagram. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jadero@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago That's what 3D printing is for... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jadero@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago That's what 3D printing is for... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cynar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Volumetric Herbert space diagram. Why limit it to 3 dimensions? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why limit it to an integer number of dimensions? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because I'm not sure how to make it work in non integer dimensions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hansl@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Open your mind permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why limit it to an integer number of dimensions? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because I'm not sure how to make it work in non integer dimensions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hansl@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Open your mind permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because I'm not sure how to make it work in non integer dimensions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hansl@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Open your mind permalink fedilink source parent
[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How about 4D Venn diagrams? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) One might even go as far as 5D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago When I read your comment, my monocle popped right off! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) One might even go as far as 5D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago When I read your comment, my monocle popped right off! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago When I read your comment, my monocle popped right off! permalink fedilink source parent