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YouTube is deliberately crippling Firefox on ARM systems (social.treehouse.systems)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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[–] 210 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Fuck Google.

Searching a tracking number from Chrome using Google? Finds a package.

Same search on Google from Firefox leads to nothing.

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  • [–] 78 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hell net neutrality laws might even have relevance if they keep this up.

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  • [+] -45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    yes it does, net neutrality not only has to do with the ISP but also the services. different useragent string should NOT lead to a worse quality of service.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Right, but your service provider has nothing to do with that difference. The fact that the entity you're contacting on the other end of the connection is providing a degraded experience isn't an internet service delivery problem.

    Your internet service, which is what net neutrality is concerned with, is distinct from services on the internet. In the same way that your phone service has nothing to do with the quality of service you get from HP's telephone support line.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    The web is based on open standards; that’s what made it universally accessible. How does limiting access based on how you access the web benefit anyone?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nobody is defending the practice, they're just differentiating it from what we've previously referred to as "net neutrality," which is 100% entirely about how ISPs process internet traffic, and not about the services being used within that traffic.

    Unless I missed the memo, and "net neutrality" means something different now.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Since Google is both the service provider for the client browser and also provides last-mile internet services; they would fit the definition of a supposed neutral ISP but also neutral for applications and services further up the OSI stack.

    Net neutrality is not just a service provider concept but has been viewed this way in the cases service providers have tried to game the system. It also encompasses the concept of an open internet; the neutrality of data is data and presentation, or lack of to the client is defined by open standards, not the desires of any one party.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    Hmmm, not sure why people are downvoting...

    Maybe these days people are using the term "net neutrality" in a broader sense to just mean equitable access, rather than the specific meaning that's been used in the past to refer to ISP behavior and giving preference based on how much is paid?

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  • [+] 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I tried duckduckgo for a while and kept coming back to Google for "real" searches at work. It's not as good for searching in my experience. Yet.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Duckduckgo has become a little better than it used to be... but google has also become a whole lot worse.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The vast majority of times I go back to Google to do a search I find it also returns useless results. I'm not convinced it's any better than duckduckgo. I think it used to be, but not anymore.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I had the same experience. I used switch between DDG and Google when DDG gave results I didn't want. During the pandemic, I remember DDG giving lots of false positives and odd, non-standard web page hits. Like, if I was searching for current COVID advice, it would give me hits from the health department in Bumfuck, Nebraska instead of, say, CDC (and I don't live in Bumfuck, Nebraska). It has really improved since then and now I can use DDG pretty much exclusively. Not having to scroll past a page of Google ads to find my search results is quite glorious.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Big same. I’ll even bang out to Startpage to try to avoid directly using Google (!sp vs. !g), but that’s not as good either.

    I bow to my search overlord Google. Until I try Grasp, Kagi, and SearXNG, and hopefully one of those will satisfy (in particular SearXNG).

    Until then DDG remains my default, and I’ll !g half the time :(

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Did you use Kagi? How was it?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    One of the three on my to-try list, still.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I tried it a few months ago and bought it before the trial was over. Took some time to build trust but it’s still on par with google if not better.

    (My account probably looks like a shill for them but I swear I’m just a happy user)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I really want to ditch Google, but DuckDuckGo aint there my brother.

    It may work for some simpler/lazy searches, but for real stuff, nah.

    The "good" thing is that Google search is going the way of Amazon, so with Google shooting themselves in the foot and DDG catching up a bit, maybe soon they'll level

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Isn't ducksuckgo just paying for google search with a privacy wrapper/obfuscation layer on top?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    ddg always drops one of at least two troublesome terms. Which is infuriating.

    Might have to do with my settings, in which case it is a bug.

    Bangs are gold (which is why ddg is my default) but i still sometimes miss exclusions.

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