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Another player who was at the table during the incident sent me this meme after the problem player in question (they had a history) left the group chat.

Felt like sharing it here because I'm sure more people should keep this kind of thing in mind.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Yes, but not everyone would. There are deaf people in our world today who don't want to be able to hear.

https://www.insider.com/why-deaf-people-turn-down-cochlear-implants-2016-12

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A big part of this is that the existing technology ISN'T a magic fix. It has side effects, it works differently than traditional hearing does and this requires long periods of adjustment and learning to bear with it. Literally being able to magic your hearing back to what it naturally should be doesn't have those significant downsides.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter, there are still plenty of people who enjoy their deafness in and if itself and don't see it as something to fix.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I need to see some accounts of this, the reasoning behind this. Because it is unfathomable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To you. That's a you problem.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Yes? That's why I asked for accounts so I could try to understand?

Try engaging with people without looking for "gotchas".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This developed because it couldn't be fixed in our world, long enough for these people to develop communities, culture, and literally their own language.

In a world where it could always have been fixed, such communities and cultures are not likely to have ever developed, since the only people who could not get it fixed would be poor, and the poor are in a bad position to gather together in groups based on their shared experience and thus be able to form their own culture.

Furthermore, people not wanting to be cured today exist in a world where there already are significant accomodations for their disabilities. It is not likely these people would be able to do this if our society had not made the collective decision to put in the effort needed to accommodate disabilities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

You've got a pretty weak imagination.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You think poor people never had their own cultures? Lol, lmao

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Not my point, obviously.

(but like any useful skill, those with access have much better chances)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes, but that is because they've either grown up that way or have been deaf for so long that they're fully integrated into the sub culture. In a fantasy setting, deafness would be taken care of before it could influence people culturally

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think that disabilities would still exist, but they would be limited to the poor and lower classes who couldn't afford the magic treatments. It really depends on how commonplace magic is and varies by the setting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It also would depend on the disability. Deafness might be less covered, but people would be willing to save up or borrow to cure paraplegism because that prevents you from working most jobs

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They'd force people to hear? That's not fantasy, that's authoritarian.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Parents finding out their baby was deaf would probably pay to get that healed asap. And people born with hearing and later lose it are probably going to want that fixed.

Also, your "argument" of gasp, authoritarianism!!!1! is nothing but a strawman and makes you look ridiculous

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're moving the goal posts. Originally you said,

In a fantasy setting, deafness would be taken care of before it could influence people culturally

Now you're saying they probably would while still taking a tone of me being wrong. You can't agree with me that deaf people would exist while still acting like I'm wrong.

Also, what you described earlier is akin to eugenics. Forcefully fixing alleged disabilities without consent is absolutely authoritarian.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Forcefully fixing alleged disabilities without consent is absolutely authoritarian.

So a parent is wrong for wanting to fix their child's disabilities? You're actually insane if you believe that, and I hope you never have children

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That is not what you said. You're still moving the goal posts. You said something extreme and are stepping your position back when confronted with the reality of it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

Keep up with the gaslighting. It gets you nowhere