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[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Both? Both. Both is good.

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[+] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Sure, but the sheer number of warcrimes the US has committed in foreign countries, like the 1973 Chilean coup to overthrow the democratically elected Salvador Allende and install a military dictatorship, or the 1965 Indonesian mass killings etc. aren't even comparable to China, or any other country for that matter.

Not to mention the Palestinian genocide they're funding right now. At least China handles extremist groups like the ETIM by 're-educating' them and assimilating them into the rest of the country. As fucked up as that is since it's cultural repression, at least they're not fucking bombing them.

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[–] pathief@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I'm sure you can Google china warcrimes as well. Assuming you're not inside the great firewall of China, that is. Let's not pretend China is good just because US is bad.

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[–] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Never said they were good. Just that it's absurd to compare China to the sheer amount of death and destruction the US has selfishly caused, and continues to cause, everywhere in the world for the profit of the ruling class.

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[–] orrk@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

as opposed to the exact same thing China does for the profit of their ruling class, but worse

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[+] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Since Xiaoping's market reforms, China has nationalized numerous exploitative private companies, decreased working hours to 8 per day, improved working conditions, gotten rid of hundreds of thousands of corrupt officials, purged greedy billionaires like Jack Ma, and built the most extensive high-speed rail and public transport system in the world.

China, with 5x the population of the US, had 121k covid deaths, while the US had 1.2mil. Because the latter prioritizes capital/profit over human lives, while China does the opposite.

These are clearly in the interest of the Proletariat/working class, not the ruling class; China has actively punished the latter.

And all that without overthrowing foreign governments and causing genocides. So how is China even comparable to the US, aside from their economic growth? Has it ever occurred to you that maybe western media tries to show their geopolitical rivals in a bad light, even when they're objectively better?

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[–] orrk@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

wait, you are using the propaganda figures of an authoritarian shithole that openly genocides one ethnicity after the other as your source?

ya, if you go by that logic, I'd just use PraugerU and claim that America is a morally pure nation who's only problem is the existence of civil rights...

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[+] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The Covid deaths are from WHO, what the fuck are you talking about?

authoritarian shithole

The irony of saying that in context of the US where 0.7% of the population is in jail, lmao.

There is an actual genocide happening in Palestine. Even the US State department says there are no mass killings in Xinjiang, likely because the US can't infiltrate and cause one like they did in Indonesia.

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

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[+] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee -7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lmao, if you refuse to accept even sources like WHO, there's no discussion to be had here.

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[–] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

If you don't understand how a country self-reporting a statistic like that is unreliable then you're right, there is no discussion to be had. It would be a waste of anyone's time (including the time it just took me to write this comment).

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[–] pathief@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

But the source isn't WHO, it's the Chinese government...

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[+] JoeHill@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

All that ghost housing the population have sunk their savings into is appreciating nicely, yes?

Funny how everyone complains about US investors sitting on property makes housing unaffordable and also complains that surplus housing in China makes housing a bad investment.

Everyone hates everything.

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

The point is that China is not some perfect übermensch,

I didn't claim they were.

Whatever the cause, the surplus of housing in China can't be seen as a negative for the same reason a lack of housing is a negative in the US.

You can't have it both ways.

The trains ran on time under Mussolini. Just because a dictatorship does bad things doesn't mean absolutely everything must be bad. Just because a democracy does good things doesn't mean everything is perfect.

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

you replied to me defending their point

No I didn't. I specifically ended with, "Everyone hates everything."

Too much of anything is bad, just like too little is bad.

Just like too little of anything is also bad.

If the value tanks, homes are affordable.

You can't have it both ways.

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

So when I said “just like too little is bad”

I was highlighting that you see the problem without acknowledging the hypocrisy.

They. Are. Different. Problems

One is oversupply causing lower prices. This helps new families at the expense of investors. The other is under supply. This hurts new families and helps investors. When housing crashed in 2008, new home buyers were happy while the media lamented the home owner investors who lost value. You can't have lower prices without oversupply.

It doesn't matter if we don't like China's government. The math of supply and demand is the same.

If this was 1935, you'd be posting that trains on time in Italy is bad but late trains in the US is different because "reasons".

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

That China created the oversupply doesn't change that it keeps housing cheap.

You argue as if the reason for the oversupply supply is only thing that's important. "Your honor, I murdered the victim using my democratic free market philosophy so the death is actually good. But that other murderer was a communist dictator so they should get the death penalty."

An oversupply keeps housing cheap. The US directly regulates the price of food by subsidizing farmers to maintain an oversupply that keeps food cheap. This hurts investors in futures markets but benefits all Americans. The Fed regulates interest rates to control inflation. This hurt stock market investors but benefits American consumers.

Do you mock all regulation or only when it's not the US?

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

oversupply is bad then an undersupply must be good,

My first statement was "everyone hates everything"

That is people criticize oversupply and undersupply. But it's one of the other. Markets aren't stable. It's why the US subsidizes food to keep the market at oversupply.

You criticized China's oversupply and ignored US's undersupply. Even after you mentioned US's undersupply in a reply, you still only criticized China's oversupply.

overbuilding in the US would not be done with the money of retail investors

The 2008 real estate crash was not planned by the US government. The overbuilding was done with the money of retail investors.

Low income housing projects are subsidized by the government all the time.

My personal hot take is that oversupply is good for workers at the expense of investors. Investors are excess capital looking to make money without producing anything. Workers actually produce. Shifting excess capital from investors to workers is a good thing in the long term.

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago

I didn't defend that op. I criticized one part of your reply. But you are so angry at China, that they could cure cancer and you'd say it's horrible and America should not do it because all the Pharma investors would lose their money.

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[–] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Last I heard, Evergrade's chairman was selling their luxury property to pay for the debt. And you guys are still calling planned cities 'ghost housing'? Lmao. Cool name though. I'd say the US could learn from it, but they're unlikely to do something that's not profitable.

You do realize you can google things yourself, right? China's demographics are similar to the US, though, afaik.

the Uighurs are going to be glad the CCP aren’t into genocide.

Like I said in another comment, even the US State department says there are no mass killings in Xinjiang, and those guys would love to report otherwise. It's probably not good there, though. Bad Empanada looked into it, and there seems to be cultural repression going on. He has sources in the video's description.

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