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Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says (arstechnica.com)
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[–] 141 points 2 years ago (29 children)

You say that targetting only the top 5% restricts the adoption rate. Consider me shocked...

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (27 children)

    It's almost as if consumers influence markets.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (20 children)

    unfortunately we have to have a competing option to vote for with our wallets. There is not a single affordable EV available in the US.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    The Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf are both under $30k, and there's a Mini Cooper that's just barely over $30k. There's only 1 other car from Chevy that's cheaper than the Bolt, and only 2 models from Mini cheaper than their EV. Nissan seems to be a leader with cheap cars, with 6 cheaper models than the Leaf. When you add in the tax rebates for buying electric that reduces the price an additional $7500.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Just 20k more to go to compete with what chinese drivers have access to.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Well yeah. We have safety laws. You cant build a car out of chinesium and have it pass US Safety tests.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    You know whats safe? A smaller, cheaper engine with a lower top speed. I dont need hundreds of miles of range and 100mph top speed

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Well you need a strong engine to get up to speed in a decent amount of time, and to go up hills full loaded. You also need tall gears for fuel efficiency. Combined, it means almost every production car can go 100+ mph.

    Also range? Thats just a gas tank. A 10 gallon gas tank will take most small cars 300 miles, its not a lot. Why focus on range? Seems weird to me.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Sorry im used to engines, we're talking about EV's. Thats something other countries have as an option, lower speed, lower range, more affordable vehicles.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ah, so do we. Off highway vehicles. Few use them as a daily because why would you? A 10 year old used car is much better choice than anything new, if you want affordable, and you get the speed and range

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not off highway, street legal. Legal to drive on the 40mph roads we have in town. For climate purposes, gas price reasons, and fewer moving parts and maintenance involved, i want an electric vehicle.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I couldn't agree more. For now, my options are electric scooters/bikes. Which are pretty great but don't have air conditioning!

    The US will continue to trail behind the rest of the world in this industry due to the greed and lobbying bribery of the auto companies.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    That's great. Half of America needs a 15k car. That's the magic number for Mass adoption.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    And where are you going to find any new car in the US for $15k? The average cost of a new car in the US this year was over $40k, and there are several EV options available for practically anyone in the market for a new car.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Kia Forte

    Hyundai Venue

    Nissan Versa

    Mitsubishi Mirage

    Kia Rio

    Kia Soul

    Cars aren't supposed to cost more than half your annual income. Half the country makes less than 36k a year. The domestic auto makers are trying to hide behind inflation for their price increases, but their record profits tell us they aren't just raising prices with cost.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    2024 Kia Forte $19,790 Starting MSRP - https://www.kia.com/us/en/forte

    2024 Hyundai Venue $19,800 Starting MSRP - https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/venue

    2024 Nissan Versa $16,130 Starting MSRP - https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/cars/versa-sedan.html

    2024 Mitsubishi Mirage $16,695 Starting MSRP - https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/mirage

    2023 Kia Rio $16,750 Starting MSRP - https://www.kia.com/us/en/rio (There isn't a 2024 version as this model has been dropped)

    2024 Kia Soul $19,990 Starting MSRP - https://www.kia.com/us/en/soul

    Which of these cars that you listed are $15k? The Chevy Bolt EV is less than half the cars you listed when you look at the base price ($26,500) minus the Federal Tax Credit ($7,500).

    The original comment I replied to said that "there is not a single affordable EV" in the US and I listed 3 that are under the average cost for any new cars in the US. Then you claimed that EVs need to be $15k in order to reach mass adoption, even though there are no new cars available in the US at that price. You can argue that cars are priced too high, or the car companies are making too much money, but the fact is that for anyone in the market for a new car, there are EVs available in every new car price range.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Oh I'm sorry the price isn't exact across different manufacturers and models? That's just ridiculous. And yes there's a reason the Bolt sold so well.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's ridiculous that the examples you gave don't back up the statement you made? Yeah, I agree.

    I also agree with my original statement that the Chevy Bolt is one of 3 affordable EVs currently available.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If we start with an expensive sports car we will make enough money that it will eventually trickle down to affordable vehicles.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Porsche does have an EV, and there's an EV mustang now (only $45k, which shocked me)

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