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[–] amzd@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) “If you don’t buy it a company will throw it away instead” is not a very good argument to buy something if you even believe it to be true at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying the act of "not buying it" (even if it was a complete and total boycott) has no impact on the production due to the system of subsidies, futures, derivatives, etc. that is set up explicitly to make sure production continues. And therefore has no impact on land/water usage, suffering etc. With the point being that it's a good first step, but if your expectation is it will change anything without first changing the underlying system you will be very disappointed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] amzd@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your argument is called the nirvana fallacy; “World peace would be ideal; this peace treaty fails to completely achieve world peace; therefore this peace treaty is not worth doing.” And I do not accept that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago it's not a nirvana fallacy. they're actually right, being vegan has no impact at all. a peace treaty actually creates peace. buying beans just means beans are sold, it doesn't do anything to change any of the problems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Surely the societal pressure to change the systems that support factory farming of animals will grow pretty much in proportion with the vegan/vegetarian population? I don't like the defeatist attitude that our choises as consumers don't matter, at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not defeatist, it's pushing back against the wishful thinking that "voting with your dollar" is effective and your responsibility ends there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago I mean if they make substantially less money with product x they scale back production. Just like with any other product. Really not that complicated. Obviously they're not tracking my personal consumption, nobody believes that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Are u saying if over night the entire customer base of meat as a whole stopped buying it would have zero effect? Certainly thats not whay youre saying right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying the act of "not buying it" (even if it was a complete and total boycott) has no impact on the production due to the system of subsidies, futures, derivatives, etc. that is set up explicitly to make sure production continues. And therefore has no impact on land/water usage, suffering etc. With the point being that it's a good first step, but if your expectation is it will change anything without first changing the underlying system you will be very disappointed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] amzd@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your argument is called the nirvana fallacy; “World peace would be ideal; this peace treaty fails to completely achieve world peace; therefore this peace treaty is not worth doing.” And I do not accept that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago it's not a nirvana fallacy. they're actually right, being vegan has no impact at all. a peace treaty actually creates peace. buying beans just means beans are sold, it doesn't do anything to change any of the problems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Surely the societal pressure to change the systems that support factory farming of animals will grow pretty much in proportion with the vegan/vegetarian population? I don't like the defeatist attitude that our choises as consumers don't matter, at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not defeatist, it's pushing back against the wishful thinking that "voting with your dollar" is effective and your responsibility ends there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago I mean if they make substantially less money with product x they scale back production. Just like with any other product. Really not that complicated. Obviously they're not tracking my personal consumption, nobody believes that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Are u saying if over night the entire customer base of meat as a whole stopped buying it would have zero effect? Certainly thats not whay youre saying right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] amzd@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your argument is called the nirvana fallacy; “World peace would be ideal; this peace treaty fails to completely achieve world peace; therefore this peace treaty is not worth doing.” And I do not accept that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago it's not a nirvana fallacy. they're actually right, being vegan has no impact at all. a peace treaty actually creates peace. buying beans just means beans are sold, it doesn't do anything to change any of the problems. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago it's not a nirvana fallacy. they're actually right, being vegan has no impact at all. a peace treaty actually creates peace. buying beans just means beans are sold, it doesn't do anything to change any of the problems. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Surely the societal pressure to change the systems that support factory farming of animals will grow pretty much in proportion with the vegan/vegetarian population? I don't like the defeatist attitude that our choises as consumers don't matter, at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not defeatist, it's pushing back against the wishful thinking that "voting with your dollar" is effective and your responsibility ends there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago I mean if they make substantially less money with product x they scale back production. Just like with any other product. Really not that complicated. Obviously they're not tracking my personal consumption, nobody believes that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not defeatist, it's pushing back against the wishful thinking that "voting with your dollar" is effective and your responsibility ends there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago I mean if they make substantially less money with product x they scale back production. Just like with any other product. Really not that complicated. Obviously they're not tracking my personal consumption, nobody believes that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago I mean if they make substantially less money with product x they scale back production. Just like with any other product. Really not that complicated. Obviously they're not tracking my personal consumption, nobody believes that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Are u saying if over night the entire customer base of meat as a whole stopped buying it would have zero effect? Certainly thats not whay youre saying right? permalink fedilink source parent