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What do Hexbear's think about the Catalunyan independence movement? (hexbear.net)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/askchapo@hexbear.net
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I'm torn between "Every people deserves the right to self-determination" and "Catalunya is richer than Spain, so it's the bourgeosie wanting to split off from the poors and pay less tax"

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[–] 13 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Every people deserves the right to self-determination

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I’ll support a nationalist struggle if it directly helps the left but I feel like anything in the white/european sphere outside of the territory wanting to do a USSR 2 should just be ignored. Like how does an independent Catalonia get us communism? It’s just going to be another state in the EU, maybe left leaning but it will still be capitalist. Look at Ireland, the IRA is fucking dead, even if they got back north Ireland at this point it wouldn’t fucking matter as it’s just libs running it.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Sinn Fein is sucdem, the Ira lost much of its Marxist roots before the troubles even started. And sure they are left for Western Europe, but Ireland is largely irrelevant now to modern leftists. Their support for Palestine is nice but it’s a mostly empty gesture, they still have an Israeli embassy ffs. Ireland has been integrated fully into the imperial core like South Korea was in the 21st century.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    they still have an Israeli embassy ffs.

    They may not in a few hours, voting on today's agenda. PS: the motion was defeated 85 votes to 55. China has an Israel embassy.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    the Ira lost much of its Marxist roots before the troubles even started

    There were multiple IRA's during the troubles. The Official IRA was more Orthodox Marxist, while the Provisional IRA was the one that did the car bombings, and though it didn't start out Marxist, it moved in that direction as time went on.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    On top of that the Official IRA split into factions as well. the INLA was a united front org with MLM, Trot, and anti Revisionist elements, while the Worker's Party was growing progressively disinterested in armed Republicanism.

    It is worth noting that essentially Republicanism survived and managed the few gains it did because the Provos rejecting the Official IRA. Keep out of trouble and hope Moscow wins the Cold War was not a viable strategy and the Provisional IRA represented a shift you see in the anti-aparthied struggle and Cuba.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    It’s apt to say that the Ira is an unorganized clusterfuck that lost the revolutionary potential it had. Like obviously we should still support their campaign against occupation but we can acknowledge that their time has passed. A new organization is necessary for Ireland, probably one that is not led by whites.

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