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WATCH: Hamas blocks IDF fuel delivery to Gaza's Shifa Hospital (www.jpost.com)
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By MAYA ZANGER-NADIS NOVEMBER 12, 2023 19:09 Updated: NOVEMBER 12, 2023 21:26

Israeli security forces delivered 300 liters of diesel fuel to Shifa Hospital in Gaza early Sunday morning and later received intelligence indicating that Hamas had intercepted the delivery, according to a Sunday night IDF statement.

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[–] 48 points 2 years ago (1 child)

And this fuel would be enough for ... (wait for it) 30 minutes. The hospital requires 9000-10000 litres a day.

And don't forget that until recently IDF was refusing to admit that the fuel is running out in the hospitals and now they offer 300 liters. How generous of them.

Oh and those babies, that they offered to transport, how are they going to arrange it? Seriously this will require special transportation, with transport incubators, special personnel and should deliver them to another hospital with enough fuel and equipment and guess what there isn't such a hospital in Gaza.

But again this also comes from the IDF who were refusing to admit that there is a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza and that they are the reason for it.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    If we were to be devils advocates for a second here.. if you knew that the terrorists that you're trying to wipe out would steal any fuel you send in, but everyone keeps telling you to do it anyway, would you send 9000 litres and resupply your adversary or would you send a few hundred litres and record what happens to make a point?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Especially since you can send another 300 liters, or even more, as soon as you see it actually going to the hospital.

    Also, the hospital most certainly does not need 10000 liters a day for critical equipment. (To run everything like normal, maybe.)

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    you would fake it and provide it as evidence.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You would send all the fuel a catastrophic situation needs. That's the point of humanitarian help.

    But who are we kidding, if not for international pressure, there would never be any humanitarian help. Or there woulf still be 20 trucks a day, with water for 20k people, in a city of 2 million

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You would send all the fuel a catastrophic situation needs.

    Even if you knew the aid wouldn't arrive, but instead would be used to extend the cause of the catastrophic situation?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The hospitals were running fine before the Israelis shut off their power.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes before the government the hospital is in declared war on their neighbor.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nobody declared war on Oct 7th. Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine (any definition of it's borders) for decades and has been operating a blockade of Gaza for about a decade.

    Both of those are acts of war. One of them is also a war crime. So don't come crying that Israel got attacked. They could absolutely have kept the power on.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    There was a cease fire in place before that. One side broke the cease fire. That's initiating war. That was an intentional, planned decision to start a war.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    That makes no sense. You have to be at war to have a cease fire and they are temporary by nature. The 50 year cease fire in Korea is famous for being the only one to last so long.

    Furthermore it was only weeks after the 2014 cease fire that Israel shot an unarmed farmer inside Gaza. You cannot claim there was a cease fire if you were commiting war crimes during it.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Israel is not responsible for providing power to Gaza. Hamas are.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    And how exactly do you know that? And yes as an empathetic human being I would definitely try to help and fail rather than not trying. At least I would know that I have tried.

    And just to remind you, the propaganda is not only on one of the sides, but both. And accepting everything IDF is saying as true is a very one-sided way to look at this conflict!

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    People trying to help and making the situation worse does not help, at all. Putting soothing your own feelings above the pragmatic requirements to solve the situation does not help

    This is why politicians are universally hated, but still required

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Let them all die then. Right? They are anyway on the wrong side of the fence!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's not what I said, but you know that already

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You’re right, you’re too much of a coward to get to the end of the logic of your position.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Who would have thought that a discussion on the internet would descend into name-calling

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Clutch your pearls harder, I’m not the original commenter and your “discussion” was just you throwing out thought terminating cliches to disregard what people are saying and to ignore the implications of your argument.

    Own your position instead of complaining that I called it out with terse, judgmental language.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 2 years ago

    Well you'd know because you have the intelligence that shows that Hamas has been stealing fuel reserves at large. And you'd confirm it by sending a few Jerry cans worth of fuel to the hospital to see if they'd be allowed on or if they'd be stolen. You're acting like they didn't attempt to help at all.

    These sorts of actions are designed to be trust building exercises. They prove viability of the general concept.

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