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Communist Filth/Capitalist Filth (lemmy.ml)

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[+] HelixDab2@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago (20 children)

The problem with China being that it's authoritarian, not that it's capitalist or communist. There's no choice other than the Communist Party, so when the party is wildly corrupt, you have no recourse at all short of revolution. And we all know what China does to counter-revolutionaries.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If the party was corrupt they wouldn't be executing the rich and powerful whenever they did a financial crime. Come on.

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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Funnily enough, this has been succesfully framed as a bad thing by media.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Can you link to some of these trials where they tried these rich people for the financial crimes?

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[–] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/china-sentences-top-banker-to-death-for-corruption-and-bigamy

https://time.com/3700907/liu-han-execution-china/

it happens a lot https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-07-23/china-executes-14-billionaires-in-8-years-culture-news-reports

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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago (11 children)

And that is a problem to whom? Every single state is authoritarian, the question is whose interests are they protecting.

China is clearly a dictatorship of the proletariat and they use authority to protect the interests of the proletariat. Yes, sometimes their policy is wrong and does harm but ultimately they work to improve their policies, governing is a learning experience after all.

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[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id -1 points 2 years ago (10 children)

It's a problem because people don't feel like stakeholders when they don't have a say and can't participate in their system of governance. This in turn means that they aren't incentivized to willingly participate and have to be forced or indoctrinated, both of which are violations of human rights.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Do you think people there don't participate in elections? The party has literally 100 million members, people in China are politically involved.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

When was their last general election?

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Literally 2023

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

And how many parties were they allowed to make selections from? Were there any candidates that weren't pre-approved by the leading party?

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[–] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

One party where a basic platform is defined and differences are expressed vibrantly on top of that is better than two parties that brand themselves as different but only offer a couple of aesthetic differences and concessions to keep people mad at the opposing party and not the underlying structure

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

...You're really saying that one party where you have no functional choice is better than a multi-party system, just because you think that Republicans and Dems are too alike, while ignoriing the plethora of other parties that not only actually exist in the US, but hold office at local and state level?

Shouldn't expect any more from a tankie though.

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[–] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago

friend. You're so worried about a one party system because you're thinking of American parties. You know how Mike Bloomberg and Bernie Sanders are both ran under the same party? In a proper single party state there's more range than that.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago*

One party with multiple functional approaches that get whittled down through democratic consensus is more democratic than being told to pick between two relatively similar options. There is more of a gap between liberals and Maoists in the CPC, both of which hold power in office, than there are between the democrats and republicans.

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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

People that want to participate in politics can join the CPC, in fact it has more than 100m official members. Also inside the CPC there are several factions with differents views, so no its not a monolithic entity.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago

It is one party. It is the only party. It is monolithic.

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[–] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What does "authoritarian" mean? Shouldn't we reserve that word for the country with the largest police force, biggest military, and the highest prison population per capita in the world?

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[–] LicenseToChill@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago

And yet it's the Chinese that flock to the US and not the other way rounf

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago

I wonder, do you think that the people that are being "re-educated" are counted as prison population...?

I suppose that when you simply kill or disappear people that are political dissenters that you don't have to worry about that prison population

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[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

People don’t have much recourse in the US either. The two party system just obfuscates that reality. I’d actually argue that because revolution is the only alternative to the communist party in China, the government has to be more responsive to citizen demands than the US.

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