▲ 1427 ▼ Ohio voters add abortion rights to state constitution (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by Pips@lemmy.sdf.org to c/politics@lemmy.world 171 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (3 children) They could just drop abortion and focus on attacking trans and gay rights permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) funny enough anti trans crusades are just as big of a voter loser as anti choice crusades are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I very much hope this is true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) It was true in KY. The hardest anti-trans candidate got shit on in the GOP primaries, then Cameron lost too. We still have issues with state representatives because gerrymandering but at least governor went well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* It's a fringe of the fringe issue. They can blast it from the rooftops, news, air whatever. It's the first time in a long time where I've felt it's just pure hate speech. Not hiding it in an omnibus bill or spending cut out any other tactic. Anti trans/gay/etc rhetoric is just pure hate and mostly off putting to the general population. The good news there is when issues are presented and left to actually stand on their own and not propped up by being attached to healthcare or education, they crumble so quickly. Line item veto should be a thing and this is clearly an example of why. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe Beshear recently vetoed an anti trans law too, didn't he? His election is a bellwether for LGBT rights, and it certainly seems like the majority are pro LGBT. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago He did. It passed because we have a simple majority veto override, but the sentiment still counts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago things are definitely trending away from all the hard right nonsense. most people aren’t that stupid, believe it or not. it’s a small, loud minority. always was, a,ways will be. most of the “wins” far right gets are thru cheating, closing off other choices, and deception. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Can someone who isn't rabidly pro life win a Republican primary at this point? I don't think so. And until they can win, the party is going to be incapable of moderating its position on abortion. Every time they go for new leadership, they pick more and more extreme people. They can't win without the bigots at this point, and so they let bigots set the policies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) If Republicans were a healthy political party, they'd drop abortion and the LGBTQ stuff. They'd focus on "we need to be fiscally responsible" and "protect people's rights." They might get more traction with this. But they aren't a healthy political party. Instead of changing to suit the voters. They'll demand that the voters change to suit the Republican party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago They’d focus on “we need to be fiscally responsible” and “protect people’s rights.” They might get more traction with this. Hm, a return to their normal lies rather their more extreme lies? I think you're right that there's no real way to turn back from the extremist path for them. I'm cautiously optimistic that trump's election signaled the beginning of the end of the party, especially as more of their voting base continues to die off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) funny enough anti trans crusades are just as big of a voter loser as anti choice crusades are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I very much hope this is true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) It was true in KY. The hardest anti-trans candidate got shit on in the GOP primaries, then Cameron lost too. We still have issues with state representatives because gerrymandering but at least governor went well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* It's a fringe of the fringe issue. They can blast it from the rooftops, news, air whatever. It's the first time in a long time where I've felt it's just pure hate speech. Not hiding it in an omnibus bill or spending cut out any other tactic. Anti trans/gay/etc rhetoric is just pure hate and mostly off putting to the general population. The good news there is when issues are presented and left to actually stand on their own and not propped up by being attached to healthcare or education, they crumble so quickly. Line item veto should be a thing and this is clearly an example of why. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe Beshear recently vetoed an anti trans law too, didn't he? His election is a bellwether for LGBT rights, and it certainly seems like the majority are pro LGBT. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago He did. It passed because we have a simple majority veto override, but the sentiment still counts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago things are definitely trending away from all the hard right nonsense. most people aren’t that stupid, believe it or not. it’s a small, loud minority. always was, a,ways will be. most of the “wins” far right gets are thru cheating, closing off other choices, and deception. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I very much hope this is true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) It was true in KY. The hardest anti-trans candidate got shit on in the GOP primaries, then Cameron lost too. We still have issues with state representatives because gerrymandering but at least governor went well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* It's a fringe of the fringe issue. They can blast it from the rooftops, news, air whatever. It's the first time in a long time where I've felt it's just pure hate speech. Not hiding it in an omnibus bill or spending cut out any other tactic. Anti trans/gay/etc rhetoric is just pure hate and mostly off putting to the general population. The good news there is when issues are presented and left to actually stand on their own and not propped up by being attached to healthcare or education, they crumble so quickly. Line item veto should be a thing and this is clearly an example of why. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe Beshear recently vetoed an anti trans law too, didn't he? His election is a bellwether for LGBT rights, and it certainly seems like the majority are pro LGBT. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago He did. It passed because we have a simple majority veto override, but the sentiment still counts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago things are definitely trending away from all the hard right nonsense. most people aren’t that stupid, believe it or not. it’s a small, loud minority. always was, a,ways will be. most of the “wins” far right gets are thru cheating, closing off other choices, and deception. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) It was true in KY. The hardest anti-trans candidate got shit on in the GOP primaries, then Cameron lost too. We still have issues with state representatives because gerrymandering but at least governor went well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* It's a fringe of the fringe issue. They can blast it from the rooftops, news, air whatever. It's the first time in a long time where I've felt it's just pure hate speech. Not hiding it in an omnibus bill or spending cut out any other tactic. Anti trans/gay/etc rhetoric is just pure hate and mostly off putting to the general population. The good news there is when issues are presented and left to actually stand on their own and not propped up by being attached to healthcare or education, they crumble so quickly. Line item veto should be a thing and this is clearly an example of why. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe Beshear recently vetoed an anti trans law too, didn't he? His election is a bellwether for LGBT rights, and it certainly seems like the majority are pro LGBT. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago He did. It passed because we have a simple majority veto override, but the sentiment still counts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* It's a fringe of the fringe issue. They can blast it from the rooftops, news, air whatever. It's the first time in a long time where I've felt it's just pure hate speech. Not hiding it in an omnibus bill or spending cut out any other tactic. Anti trans/gay/etc rhetoric is just pure hate and mostly off putting to the general population. The good news there is when issues are presented and left to actually stand on their own and not propped up by being attached to healthcare or education, they crumble so quickly. Line item veto should be a thing and this is clearly an example of why. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe Beshear recently vetoed an anti trans law too, didn't he? His election is a bellwether for LGBT rights, and it certainly seems like the majority are pro LGBT. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago He did. It passed because we have a simple majority veto override, but the sentiment still counts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago He did. It passed because we have a simple majority veto override, but the sentiment still counts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago things are definitely trending away from all the hard right nonsense. most people aren’t that stupid, believe it or not. it’s a small, loud minority. always was, a,ways will be. most of the “wins” far right gets are thru cheating, closing off other choices, and deception. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Can someone who isn't rabidly pro life win a Republican primary at this point? I don't think so. And until they can win, the party is going to be incapable of moderating its position on abortion. Every time they go for new leadership, they pick more and more extreme people. They can't win without the bigots at this point, and so they let bigots set the policies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) If Republicans were a healthy political party, they'd drop abortion and the LGBTQ stuff. They'd focus on "we need to be fiscally responsible" and "protect people's rights." They might get more traction with this. But they aren't a healthy political party. Instead of changing to suit the voters. They'll demand that the voters change to suit the Republican party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago They’d focus on “we need to be fiscally responsible” and “protect people’s rights.” They might get more traction with this. Hm, a return to their normal lies rather their more extreme lies? I think you're right that there's no real way to turn back from the extremist path for them. I'm cautiously optimistic that trump's election signaled the beginning of the end of the party, especially as more of their voting base continues to die off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago They’d focus on “we need to be fiscally responsible” and “protect people’s rights.” They might get more traction with this. Hm, a return to their normal lies rather their more extreme lies? I think you're right that there's no real way to turn back from the extremist path for them. I'm cautiously optimistic that trump's election signaled the beginning of the end of the party, especially as more of their voting base continues to die off. permalink fedilink source parent