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Lib here. I care about Palestine and I also feel strongly that Israel shouldn't even have been established or founded in the first place. Here's why; state of Israel from the get-go grabbed land, was hostile and violent against Palestinians... When state of Israel was getting established they bombed in cities and villages and terrorized the population... Then they massacred a village. That's how Israel formed. There was 10% Jewish and the rest 90% were Palestinians and Arabs (Christians and Muslims).
Probably if You ask enough liberals you'd find out that most don't agree with the history of Israel and it's fucked up ways against humanity.
Also Britain for the most part was responsible for all of this Palestinian/ Israeli mess to begin with. Then everyone else (other western countries) got involved.
Will you condemn Hamas?
So you think Israel should never have been founded, and think they’re massacring villages, but simultaneously say Palestine should just sit there and keep “peacefully protesting” because the Great Moral Westerner™ said resisting oppression is bad?
How does that make any sense?
Lmao, gottem
Hamas are brave freedom fighters liberal
After watching the way liberal scum reacts to Hamas, I'm convinced Black folk should've been had a Hamas analogue. Grandmaster Jay didn't go far enough.
I know it's a bit strained, but in terms of "faction of organized armed resistance" wouldn't either the Panthers or whatever Malcolm X was involved with in terms of community defense count as "a Hamas"?
From what I remember, while the Panthers were absolutely armed, they also weren't primarily about violent resistance against the oppressor, they were primarily about mutual aid for the hoods they operated in. I also wouldn't have considered them large enough or widespread enough to count as a "Hamas". They're also currently only existent in splinters, mostly due to the state department's continuing genocide.
Yeah, I spoke of them in the past tense for a reason, but fair enough on the rest of it.
The coolest way to short circuit peoples brains is to say “the state of israel doesn’t have the right to exist”.
Then where's that energy irl? I haven't met a single lib who ISN'T full-throatedly 'genocide the Palestinians if they won't stop resisting'. It's easy enough to claim you and yours are against it; but your assertion categorically doesn't match reality.
Ive only seen conservative chuds at the coal mine support palestine. All the democrats in the coal mine want to nuke gaza, and use those words.
There is an intense enghusiasm among some communities for a big war, regardless of what it is.
thats because a lot of fringe conservatives are also dissillissiouned with liberalism tbh, ive noticed the same thing with working class, right wing liberals; they are much easier to talk too as they are themselves on the fringes of liberal society and usually are only holding the 'right' position due to alienation and as a reaction to the perceived status quo.
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Might I persuade you to reconsider this part? Liberalism/neoliberalism is what produced and maintained Israel, along with many other genocidal projects across the world, even if the liberals in your community shake their heads and then vote blue anyway.