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[+] demesisx@infosec.pub 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (85 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 85 child comments replies: [–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (21 children) The one that isn't taking away trans rights, making abortion illegal, and saying the last election was stolen, seems like the lesser evil actually. I can agree that I think our parties would be slightly better if first past the post was changed to allow for multiple parties, but i think it's ridiculous to say both parties are currently the same. Edit: As I responded to thecrotch, I disagree with the assertion that the Dem party is evil. Flawed? sure, our 2 party system will only allow for flawed parties, but to say their evil is downright showing ignorance of US politics or disinformation given the examples that I gave. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Not to people overseas. There’s no difference between being indiscriminately murdered by a Republican or a Democrat to the people dying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (16 children) They don't have to be the same to both suck. The lesser evil is, by definition, evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies) [–] Brak@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (4 children) i can’t see any of them, which means a lot of them must have been banned already from hexbear lol lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Barabas@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) 8 out of a total of 165 comments remain. Went and checked the lemmy.ml version of the thread, and they sure weren't lying about the shitlibs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] D3FNC@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago Glory to the moderators permalink fedilink source parent [–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) No, we have Eisenhower Republicans, and Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Fascists. Not all fascists are Nazis, but all Nazis are faschists. They're like squares and rectangles. permalink fedilink source parent [+] NotErisma@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] thilo@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (25 children) This is nonsense. MAGA is a fascist movement. Don't let both being neo-liberal blind you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (12 children) And yet the United States continues to slide into fascism despite having elected Biden. What horrific Trump era policies did the Democrats even bother to repeal after they won in 2020 and held both the senate and the house? They are still funding the construction of border wall segments. They never repealed the Republican tax cuts. They have done nothing about the concentration camps on the southern border for fuck's sake. They never codified Roe v. Wade, we literally lost the right to abortions while Biden was in office. They could have stacked the supreme court but they didn't. The Democrats and the Republicans form an obfuscated one party system in the US. Republican leadership aggressively ramps up the oppression of marginalized people, then Democratic leadership does nothing to restore our rights nor proactively prevent the same thing from happening again. Instead they just use their time in office to suck all of the energy out of people's movements that could actually effect change. And much more importantly than all of that, Republicans and Democrats are virtually identically evil when it comes to foreign policy. When the US is dropping bombs on you and destroying your country, you'll tend not to care whether it was a Red MAGA or Blue MAGA administration pulling the trigger. In some specific cases it might be worthwhile to vote for Democrats in local elections where there exists much more leeway for politicians to stray from the party line, but voting for them in national elections is just lending your voice to legitimizing their bullshit good cop/bad cop routine they play with the Republicans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies) [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (4 children) Looking at it from an economic definition perspective though Biden represents the financial bourgeoisie and Trump represents more industrial bourgeoisie permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Trump obviously comes from real estate, but his current money-making on a direct level is decidedly media-driven. The question is who gives him money and who benefits from his policy, and I think the answer is that he has a relatively larger amount of support from the petite bourgeois. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Neoliberalism is exactly the economic policies of fascism. Just because they have "civility" aesthetics doesn't change that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Both are fascist, the only difference is where the fascism is pointed. That's why you'll see a lot of fake leftists support Biden, because they don't care about the world all they care about are themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (6 children) If they’re both equally evil internationally and mostly equally evil domestically, am I allowed to vote for who is less likely to remove more human rights from women and trans people? I would never tell anyone that they should vote, I understand people’s reasons for not doing it. Selfishly, I’m going to give myself the best chance of having access to life saving health care until I’m no longer of child bearing age. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (4 children) In terms of federal representatives, that's rather like a poor white German supporting the Strassers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (21 replies)
[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (21 children) The one that isn't taking away trans rights, making abortion illegal, and saying the last election was stolen, seems like the lesser evil actually. I can agree that I think our parties would be slightly better if first past the post was changed to allow for multiple parties, but i think it's ridiculous to say both parties are currently the same. Edit: As I responded to thecrotch, I disagree with the assertion that the Dem party is evil. Flawed? sure, our 2 party system will only allow for flawed parties, but to say their evil is downright showing ignorance of US politics or disinformation given the examples that I gave. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Not to people overseas. There’s no difference between being indiscriminately murdered by a Republican or a Democrat to the people dying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (16 children) They don't have to be the same to both suck. The lesser evil is, by definition, evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies)
[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Not to people overseas. There’s no difference between being indiscriminately murdered by a Republican or a Democrat to the people dying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (16 children) They don't have to be the same to both suck. The lesser evil is, by definition, evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies)
[–] Brak@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (4 children) i can’t see any of them, which means a lot of them must have been banned already from hexbear lol lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Barabas@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) 8 out of a total of 165 comments remain. Went and checked the lemmy.ml version of the thread, and they sure weren't lying about the shitlibs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] D3FNC@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago Glory to the moderators permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) 8 out of a total of 165 comments remain. Went and checked the lemmy.ml version of the thread, and they sure weren't lying about the shitlibs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] D3FNC@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago Glory to the moderators permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) No, we have Eisenhower Republicans, and Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Fascists. Not all fascists are Nazis, but all Nazis are faschists. They're like squares and rectangles. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Fascists. Not all fascists are Nazis, but all Nazis are faschists. They're like squares and rectangles. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (25 children) This is nonsense. MAGA is a fascist movement. Don't let both being neo-liberal blind you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (12 children) And yet the United States continues to slide into fascism despite having elected Biden. What horrific Trump era policies did the Democrats even bother to repeal after they won in 2020 and held both the senate and the house? They are still funding the construction of border wall segments. They never repealed the Republican tax cuts. They have done nothing about the concentration camps on the southern border for fuck's sake. They never codified Roe v. Wade, we literally lost the right to abortions while Biden was in office. They could have stacked the supreme court but they didn't. The Democrats and the Republicans form an obfuscated one party system in the US. Republican leadership aggressively ramps up the oppression of marginalized people, then Democratic leadership does nothing to restore our rights nor proactively prevent the same thing from happening again. Instead they just use their time in office to suck all of the energy out of people's movements that could actually effect change. And much more importantly than all of that, Republicans and Democrats are virtually identically evil when it comes to foreign policy. When the US is dropping bombs on you and destroying your country, you'll tend not to care whether it was a Red MAGA or Blue MAGA administration pulling the trigger. In some specific cases it might be worthwhile to vote for Democrats in local elections where there exists much more leeway for politicians to stray from the party line, but voting for them in national elections is just lending your voice to legitimizing their bullshit good cop/bad cop routine they play with the Republicans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies) [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (4 children) Looking at it from an economic definition perspective though Biden represents the financial bourgeoisie and Trump represents more industrial bourgeoisie permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Trump obviously comes from real estate, but his current money-making on a direct level is decidedly media-driven. The question is who gives him money and who benefits from his policy, and I think the answer is that he has a relatively larger amount of support from the petite bourgeois. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Neoliberalism is exactly the economic policies of fascism. Just because they have "civility" aesthetics doesn't change that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Both are fascist, the only difference is where the fascism is pointed. That's why you'll see a lot of fake leftists support Biden, because they don't care about the world all they care about are themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (12 children) And yet the United States continues to slide into fascism despite having elected Biden. What horrific Trump era policies did the Democrats even bother to repeal after they won in 2020 and held both the senate and the house? They are still funding the construction of border wall segments. They never repealed the Republican tax cuts. They have done nothing about the concentration camps on the southern border for fuck's sake. They never codified Roe v. Wade, we literally lost the right to abortions while Biden was in office. They could have stacked the supreme court but they didn't. The Democrats and the Republicans form an obfuscated one party system in the US. Republican leadership aggressively ramps up the oppression of marginalized people, then Democratic leadership does nothing to restore our rights nor proactively prevent the same thing from happening again. Instead they just use their time in office to suck all of the energy out of people's movements that could actually effect change. And much more importantly than all of that, Republicans and Democrats are virtually identically evil when it comes to foreign policy. When the US is dropping bombs on you and destroying your country, you'll tend not to care whether it was a Red MAGA or Blue MAGA administration pulling the trigger. In some specific cases it might be worthwhile to vote for Democrats in local elections where there exists much more leeway for politicians to stray from the party line, but voting for them in national elections is just lending your voice to legitimizing their bullshit good cop/bad cop routine they play with the Republicans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies)
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[+] demesisx@infosec.pub 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (4 children) Looking at it from an economic definition perspective though Biden represents the financial bourgeoisie and Trump represents more industrial bourgeoisie permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Trump obviously comes from real estate, but his current money-making on a direct level is decidedly media-driven. The question is who gives him money and who benefits from his policy, and I think the answer is that he has a relatively larger amount of support from the petite bourgeois. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (4 children) Looking at it from an economic definition perspective though Biden represents the financial bourgeoisie and Trump represents more industrial bourgeoisie permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Trump obviously comes from real estate, but his current money-making on a direct level is decidedly media-driven. The question is who gives him money and who benefits from his policy, and I think the answer is that he has a relatively larger amount of support from the petite bourgeois. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[+] demesisx@infosec.pub 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Trump obviously comes from real estate, but his current money-making on a direct level is decidedly media-driven. The question is who gives him money and who benefits from his policy, and I think the answer is that he has a relatively larger amount of support from the petite bourgeois. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Trump obviously comes from real estate, but his current money-making on a direct level is decidedly media-driven. The question is who gives him money and who benefits from his policy, and I think the answer is that he has a relatively larger amount of support from the petite bourgeois. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Neoliberalism is exactly the economic policies of fascism. Just because they have "civility" aesthetics doesn't change that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Both are fascist, the only difference is where the fascism is pointed. That's why you'll see a lot of fake leftists support Biden, because they don't care about the world all they care about are themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (6 children) If they’re both equally evil internationally and mostly equally evil domestically, am I allowed to vote for who is less likely to remove more human rights from women and trans people? I would never tell anyone that they should vote, I understand people’s reasons for not doing it. Selfishly, I’m going to give myself the best chance of having access to life saving health care until I’m no longer of child bearing age. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (4 children) In terms of federal representatives, that's rather like a poor white German supporting the Strassers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (4 children) In terms of federal representatives, that's rather like a poor white German supporting the Strassers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)