▲ 1192 ▼ Israel's siege of Gaza is illegal, EU says (euobserver.com) submitted 3 years ago by NightOwl@lemm.ee to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml 407 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] FMT99@lemmy.world 208 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (51 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 51 child comments replies: [+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 71 points 3 years ago (47 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 47 child comments replies: [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 48 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Don't forget how Israel sells world-class spyware to despots and dictators, who use it to terrorise journalists and political opponents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago Including their supposed arch nemesis in Saudi Arabia, who used their tech to kill Khashoggi permalink fedilink source parent [+] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (5 children) IDF soldiers have murdered plenty of children. It is routine and I don't care if they are protesting, they are entitled to protest oppression. Hamas are disgusting and Israel are cunts but Hamas is because of what Israel does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Well if you casually leave out that part it becomes a lie by omission. And there's a reason you have to use this lie both to yourself and to others. It has a whole different ring to it when you say "IDF regularly shoot teenagers throwing molotov cocktails in protest" instead of "routinely murdering children". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Siblings Ali and Mayar ed-Din, who were killed in an IDF airstrike on May 9, 2023 Damn teenagers get younger with every cull. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Mohammed Tamimi is the youngest Palestinian killed in the conflict this year (June 2023) Shot in the head by Israeli forces. He was 2. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Locrin@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago* Yeah they absolutely did, by teaching the people that shit was normal by doing it to them for generations. Murdering civilians who are celebrating is just how they say hi, so they shouldn't be surprised pikachu face when they do it right back to them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] 30mag@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (7 children) We (the EU at least) also send a lot of aid to Palestinians. Israel should be sanctioned and decolonized like South Africa was. And I, for one, believe that that would have happened a long time ago if the Palestinians had followed the Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi playbook. Perhaps I am wrong. Like the rest of the world, I also don't have the solution for this quagmire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 21 points 3 years ago The experiment has actually been running already. The Gaza Strip is run by Hamas, which is violent and pushes back against Israel however they can. The West Bank is run by Fatah, which has been attempting to keep good relations with Israel and work with them. Despite that, the West Bank has seen a continuing encroachment of illegal Israeli settlers, continuing violence directed at Palestinians, both by the settlers moving in there and by the Israeli army. The reason the border with Gaza was so ill-defended was because Netanyahu had moved much of the force usually stationed there into the West Bank. Palestinian deaths in the West Bank has been rising. I don't think the Mahatma Ghandi approach is likely to work in the Middle East. At least no better than any other approach people have been trying has been working there. permalink fedilink source parent [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) The only way to disarm "the whole region" would be to basically level all of it and make it totally uninhabitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago Has anyone ever heard of BDS?!? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago I’m not saying it’s the right move But it would solve a whole lot of issues. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago The US sends aid to palestine as well, just nowhere near as much as we do to israel. And there isn't a good solution. No matter what, everybody will be mad. Mad and not violent would be nice, though. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Nougat@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cerbero@lemmy.world 27 points 3 years ago (20 children) Thing also is that those people were also hated during thier time and also called terrorists. There’s no good options for a leader sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (14 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] Carlo@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (8 children) USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler's twink ass. Lol fucking what? The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies) [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago He literally WAS a terrorist. He ran the ANC’s terrorist wing. People called him a terrorist and it was accurate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 3 years ago A lot of people seem the think he was only regarded well once released from prison. I certainly didn't know much about him until then. Yet Only Fools and Horses was made in 1981, and they lived in Nelson Mandela House. So even in the UK we knew South Africa was on the wrong side of history. And we should know, we wrote most of it... permalink fedilink source parent [+] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Palerider@feddit.uk 8 points 3 years ago* So were the IRA... And yet now here we are with Sinn Fein holding elected positions. At some point there has to be dialogue otherwise you just keep killing one another. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago As opposed to the ANC? Who literally had a terrorist wing run by Mandela? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 years ago As opposed to the IDF that’s been terrorizing Palestinians constantly? It’s terrorists in both sides. Unfortunately civilians are the ones caught in the crossfire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eikichi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago As opposed to the resistants (including many Jews) during WW2 who were literally called terrorists by Nazis ? permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 years ago* (4 children) The West called Mandela a terrorist until he won and they killed MLK So permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The West being one single hive mind like the bugs in Starship Troopers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] queermunist@lemmy.ml -7 points 3 years ago* Oh sure, there is some factions within the West, but on the whole they agree on the big stuff. It's why they're all allied with eachother in the first place. It's not a hive mind, it's a team. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) And Gandhi was a black-hating Mussolini sympathiser. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago This is the sort of thing that reminds me never to trust the accepted wisdom of internet groups. Gandhi after being educated in England was only a little less racist then everyone else when he first went to South Africa and made the famous comment you're referring to... He then had his awakening against oppression and began to fight for an end to racism, one of the main popular scandals against Gandhi in South Africa was that the medical corp he set up would give aid to whoever needed it first regardless of rank, colour or ethnicity. The rest of his life he wrote and fought for the rights of all. But of course 'popular person was actually bad' is a fun hot take so of course it's going to be banded around without any nuance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de -1 points 3 years ago They dont need a Palestinian Mandela to stop military and civil aid and cooperation when Israel commits war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago The UN condemns Israel as a pastime activity. Nobody in Israel cares what they say at this point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Because they are the West’s military outpost in the Middle East A permalink fedilink source parent [–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I guess sanctions only make sense when Israel is out of the picture. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 71 points 3 years ago (47 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 47 child comments replies: [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 48 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Don't forget how Israel sells world-class spyware to despots and dictators, who use it to terrorise journalists and political opponents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago Including their supposed arch nemesis in Saudi Arabia, who used their tech to kill Khashoggi permalink fedilink source parent [+] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (5 children) IDF soldiers have murdered plenty of children. It is routine and I don't care if they are protesting, they are entitled to protest oppression. Hamas are disgusting and Israel are cunts but Hamas is because of what Israel does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Well if you casually leave out that part it becomes a lie by omission. And there's a reason you have to use this lie both to yourself and to others. It has a whole different ring to it when you say "IDF regularly shoot teenagers throwing molotov cocktails in protest" instead of "routinely murdering children". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Siblings Ali and Mayar ed-Din, who were killed in an IDF airstrike on May 9, 2023 Damn teenagers get younger with every cull. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Mohammed Tamimi is the youngest Palestinian killed in the conflict this year (June 2023) Shot in the head by Israeli forces. He was 2. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Locrin@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago* Yeah they absolutely did, by teaching the people that shit was normal by doing it to them for generations. Murdering civilians who are celebrating is just how they say hi, so they shouldn't be surprised pikachu face when they do it right back to them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] 30mag@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (7 children) We (the EU at least) also send a lot of aid to Palestinians. Israel should be sanctioned and decolonized like South Africa was. And I, for one, believe that that would have happened a long time ago if the Palestinians had followed the Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi playbook. Perhaps I am wrong. Like the rest of the world, I also don't have the solution for this quagmire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 21 points 3 years ago The experiment has actually been running already. The Gaza Strip is run by Hamas, which is violent and pushes back against Israel however they can. The West Bank is run by Fatah, which has been attempting to keep good relations with Israel and work with them. Despite that, the West Bank has seen a continuing encroachment of illegal Israeli settlers, continuing violence directed at Palestinians, both by the settlers moving in there and by the Israeli army. The reason the border with Gaza was so ill-defended was because Netanyahu had moved much of the force usually stationed there into the West Bank. Palestinian deaths in the West Bank has been rising. I don't think the Mahatma Ghandi approach is likely to work in the Middle East. At least no better than any other approach people have been trying has been working there. permalink fedilink source parent [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) The only way to disarm "the whole region" would be to basically level all of it and make it totally uninhabitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago Has anyone ever heard of BDS?!? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago I’m not saying it’s the right move But it would solve a whole lot of issues. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago The US sends aid to palestine as well, just nowhere near as much as we do to israel. And there isn't a good solution. No matter what, everybody will be mad. Mad and not violent would be nice, though. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Nougat@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cerbero@lemmy.world 27 points 3 years ago (20 children) Thing also is that those people were also hated during thier time and also called terrorists. There’s no good options for a leader sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (14 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] Carlo@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (8 children) USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler's twink ass. Lol fucking what? The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies) [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago He literally WAS a terrorist. He ran the ANC’s terrorist wing. People called him a terrorist and it was accurate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 3 years ago A lot of people seem the think he was only regarded well once released from prison. I certainly didn't know much about him until then. Yet Only Fools and Horses was made in 1981, and they lived in Nelson Mandela House. So even in the UK we knew South Africa was on the wrong side of history. And we should know, we wrote most of it... permalink fedilink source parent [+] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Palerider@feddit.uk 8 points 3 years ago* So were the IRA... And yet now here we are with Sinn Fein holding elected positions. At some point there has to be dialogue otherwise you just keep killing one another. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago As opposed to the ANC? Who literally had a terrorist wing run by Mandela? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 years ago As opposed to the IDF that’s been terrorizing Palestinians constantly? It’s terrorists in both sides. Unfortunately civilians are the ones caught in the crossfire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eikichi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago As opposed to the resistants (including many Jews) during WW2 who were literally called terrorists by Nazis ? permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 years ago* (4 children) The West called Mandela a terrorist until he won and they killed MLK So permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The West being one single hive mind like the bugs in Starship Troopers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] queermunist@lemmy.ml -7 points 3 years ago* Oh sure, there is some factions within the West, but on the whole they agree on the big stuff. It's why they're all allied with eachother in the first place. It's not a hive mind, it's a team. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) And Gandhi was a black-hating Mussolini sympathiser. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago This is the sort of thing that reminds me never to trust the accepted wisdom of internet groups. Gandhi after being educated in England was only a little less racist then everyone else when he first went to South Africa and made the famous comment you're referring to... He then had his awakening against oppression and began to fight for an end to racism, one of the main popular scandals against Gandhi in South Africa was that the medical corp he set up would give aid to whoever needed it first regardless of rank, colour or ethnicity. The rest of his life he wrote and fought for the rights of all. But of course 'popular person was actually bad' is a fun hot take so of course it's going to be banded around without any nuance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de -1 points 3 years ago They dont need a Palestinian Mandela to stop military and civil aid and cooperation when Israel commits war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FMT99@lemmy.world 48 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Don't forget how Israel sells world-class spyware to despots and dictators, who use it to terrorise journalists and political opponents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago Including their supposed arch nemesis in Saudi Arabia, who used their tech to kill Khashoggi permalink fedilink source parent [+] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (5 children) IDF soldiers have murdered plenty of children. It is routine and I don't care if they are protesting, they are entitled to protest oppression. Hamas are disgusting and Israel are cunts but Hamas is because of what Israel does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Well if you casually leave out that part it becomes a lie by omission. And there's a reason you have to use this lie both to yourself and to others. It has a whole different ring to it when you say "IDF regularly shoot teenagers throwing molotov cocktails in protest" instead of "routinely murdering children". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Siblings Ali and Mayar ed-Din, who were killed in an IDF airstrike on May 9, 2023 Damn teenagers get younger with every cull. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Mohammed Tamimi is the youngest Palestinian killed in the conflict this year (June 2023) Shot in the head by Israeli forces. He was 2. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Locrin@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago* Yeah they absolutely did, by teaching the people that shit was normal by doing it to them for generations. Murdering civilians who are celebrating is just how they say hi, so they shouldn't be surprised pikachu face when they do it right back to them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] 30mag@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (7 children) We (the EU at least) also send a lot of aid to Palestinians. Israel should be sanctioned and decolonized like South Africa was. And I, for one, believe that that would have happened a long time ago if the Palestinians had followed the Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi playbook. Perhaps I am wrong. Like the rest of the world, I also don't have the solution for this quagmire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 21 points 3 years ago The experiment has actually been running already. The Gaza Strip is run by Hamas, which is violent and pushes back against Israel however they can. The West Bank is run by Fatah, which has been attempting to keep good relations with Israel and work with them. Despite that, the West Bank has seen a continuing encroachment of illegal Israeli settlers, continuing violence directed at Palestinians, both by the settlers moving in there and by the Israeli army. The reason the border with Gaza was so ill-defended was because Netanyahu had moved much of the force usually stationed there into the West Bank. Palestinian deaths in the West Bank has been rising. I don't think the Mahatma Ghandi approach is likely to work in the Middle East. At least no better than any other approach people have been trying has been working there. permalink fedilink source parent [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) The only way to disarm "the whole region" would be to basically level all of it and make it totally uninhabitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago Has anyone ever heard of BDS?!? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago I’m not saying it’s the right move But it would solve a whole lot of issues. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago The US sends aid to palestine as well, just nowhere near as much as we do to israel. And there isn't a good solution. No matter what, everybody will be mad. Mad and not violent would be nice, though. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Nougat@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Don't forget how Israel sells world-class spyware to despots and dictators, who use it to terrorise journalists and political opponents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago Including their supposed arch nemesis in Saudi Arabia, who used their tech to kill Khashoggi permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago Including their supposed arch nemesis in Saudi Arabia, who used their tech to kill Khashoggi permalink fedilink source parent
[+] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (5 children) IDF soldiers have murdered plenty of children. It is routine and I don't care if they are protesting, they are entitled to protest oppression. Hamas are disgusting and Israel are cunts but Hamas is because of what Israel does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Well if you casually leave out that part it becomes a lie by omission. And there's a reason you have to use this lie both to yourself and to others. It has a whole different ring to it when you say "IDF regularly shoot teenagers throwing molotov cocktails in protest" instead of "routinely murdering children". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Siblings Ali and Mayar ed-Din, who were killed in an IDF airstrike on May 9, 2023 Damn teenagers get younger with every cull. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Mohammed Tamimi is the youngest Palestinian killed in the conflict this year (June 2023) Shot in the head by Israeli forces. He was 2. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Locrin@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago* Yeah they absolutely did, by teaching the people that shit was normal by doing it to them for generations. Murdering civilians who are celebrating is just how they say hi, so they shouldn't be surprised pikachu face when they do it right back to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (5 children) IDF soldiers have murdered plenty of children. It is routine and I don't care if they are protesting, they are entitled to protest oppression. Hamas are disgusting and Israel are cunts but Hamas is because of what Israel does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Well if you casually leave out that part it becomes a lie by omission. And there's a reason you have to use this lie both to yourself and to others. It has a whole different ring to it when you say "IDF regularly shoot teenagers throwing molotov cocktails in protest" instead of "routinely murdering children". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Siblings Ali and Mayar ed-Din, who were killed in an IDF airstrike on May 9, 2023 Damn teenagers get younger with every cull. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Mohammed Tamimi is the youngest Palestinian killed in the conflict this year (June 2023) Shot in the head by Israeli forces. He was 2. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Locrin@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago* Yeah they absolutely did, by teaching the people that shit was normal by doing it to them for generations. Murdering civilians who are celebrating is just how they say hi, so they shouldn't be surprised pikachu face when they do it right back to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Well if you casually leave out that part it becomes a lie by omission. And there's a reason you have to use this lie both to yourself and to others. It has a whole different ring to it when you say "IDF regularly shoot teenagers throwing molotov cocktails in protest" instead of "routinely murdering children". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Siblings Ali and Mayar ed-Din, who were killed in an IDF airstrike on May 9, 2023 Damn teenagers get younger with every cull. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Mohammed Tamimi is the youngest Palestinian killed in the conflict this year (June 2023) Shot in the head by Israeli forces. He was 2. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Siblings Ali and Mayar ed-Din, who were killed in an IDF airstrike on May 9, 2023 Damn teenagers get younger with every cull. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* Mohammed Tamimi is the youngest Palestinian killed in the conflict this year (June 2023) Shot in the head by Israeli forces. He was 2. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Locrin@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago* Yeah they absolutely did, by teaching the people that shit was normal by doing it to them for generations. Murdering civilians who are celebrating is just how they say hi, so they shouldn't be surprised pikachu face when they do it right back to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago* Yeah they absolutely did, by teaching the people that shit was normal by doing it to them for generations. Murdering civilians who are celebrating is just how they say hi, so they shouldn't be surprised pikachu face when they do it right back to them. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (7 children) We (the EU at least) also send a lot of aid to Palestinians. Israel should be sanctioned and decolonized like South Africa was. And I, for one, believe that that would have happened a long time ago if the Palestinians had followed the Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi playbook. Perhaps I am wrong. Like the rest of the world, I also don't have the solution for this quagmire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 21 points 3 years ago The experiment has actually been running already. The Gaza Strip is run by Hamas, which is violent and pushes back against Israel however they can. The West Bank is run by Fatah, which has been attempting to keep good relations with Israel and work with them. Despite that, the West Bank has seen a continuing encroachment of illegal Israeli settlers, continuing violence directed at Palestinians, both by the settlers moving in there and by the Israeli army. The reason the border with Gaza was so ill-defended was because Netanyahu had moved much of the force usually stationed there into the West Bank. Palestinian deaths in the West Bank has been rising. I don't think the Mahatma Ghandi approach is likely to work in the Middle East. At least no better than any other approach people have been trying has been working there. permalink fedilink source parent [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) The only way to disarm "the whole region" would be to basically level all of it and make it totally uninhabitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago Has anyone ever heard of BDS?!? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago I’m not saying it’s the right move But it would solve a whole lot of issues. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago The US sends aid to palestine as well, just nowhere near as much as we do to israel. And there isn't a good solution. No matter what, everybody will be mad. Mad and not violent would be nice, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 21 points 3 years ago The experiment has actually been running already. The Gaza Strip is run by Hamas, which is violent and pushes back against Israel however they can. The West Bank is run by Fatah, which has been attempting to keep good relations with Israel and work with them. Despite that, the West Bank has seen a continuing encroachment of illegal Israeli settlers, continuing violence directed at Palestinians, both by the settlers moving in there and by the Israeli army. The reason the border with Gaza was so ill-defended was because Netanyahu had moved much of the force usually stationed there into the West Bank. Palestinian deaths in the West Bank has been rising. I don't think the Mahatma Ghandi approach is likely to work in the Middle East. At least no better than any other approach people have been trying has been working there. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FMT99@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) The only way to disarm "the whole region" would be to basically level all of it and make it totally uninhabitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago Has anyone ever heard of BDS?!? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago I’m not saying it’s the right move But it would solve a whole lot of issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) The only way to disarm "the whole region" would be to basically level all of it and make it totally uninhabitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FMT99@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago Has anyone ever heard of BDS?!? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago I’m not saying it’s the right move But it would solve a whole lot of issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FMT99@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago Has anyone ever heard of BDS?!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago I’m not saying it’s the right move But it would solve a whole lot of issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago The US sends aid to palestine as well, just nowhere near as much as we do to israel. And there isn't a good solution. No matter what, everybody will be mad. Mad and not violent would be nice, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cerbero@lemmy.world 27 points 3 years ago (20 children) Thing also is that those people were also hated during thier time and also called terrorists. There’s no good options for a leader sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (14 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] Carlo@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (8 children) USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler's twink ass. Lol fucking what? The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies) [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago He literally WAS a terrorist. He ran the ANC’s terrorist wing. People called him a terrorist and it was accurate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 3 years ago A lot of people seem the think he was only regarded well once released from prison. I certainly didn't know much about him until then. Yet Only Fools and Horses was made in 1981, and they lived in Nelson Mandela House. So even in the UK we knew South Africa was on the wrong side of history. And we should know, we wrote most of it... permalink fedilink source parent [+] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Palerider@feddit.uk 8 points 3 years ago* So were the IRA... And yet now here we are with Sinn Fein holding elected positions. At some point there has to be dialogue otherwise you just keep killing one another. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago As opposed to the ANC? Who literally had a terrorist wing run by Mandela? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 years ago As opposed to the IDF that’s been terrorizing Palestinians constantly? It’s terrorists in both sides. Unfortunately civilians are the ones caught in the crossfire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eikichi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago As opposed to the resistants (including many Jews) during WW2 who were literally called terrorists by Nazis ? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (14 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] Carlo@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (8 children) USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler's twink ass. Lol fucking what? The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies) [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago He literally WAS a terrorist. He ran the ANC’s terrorist wing. People called him a terrorist and it was accurate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 3 years ago A lot of people seem the think he was only regarded well once released from prison. I certainly didn't know much about him until then. Yet Only Fools and Horses was made in 1981, and they lived in Nelson Mandela House. So even in the UK we knew South Africa was on the wrong side of history. And we should know, we wrote most of it... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Carlo@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (8 children) USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler's twink ass. Lol fucking what? The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies)
[+] alvvayson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (8 children) USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler's twink ass. Lol fucking what? The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies)
[+] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (8 children) USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler's twink ass. Lol fucking what? The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies)
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (8 children) USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler's twink ass. Lol fucking what? The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies)
[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago He literally WAS a terrorist. He ran the ANC’s terrorist wing. People called him a terrorist and it was accurate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 3 years ago A lot of people seem the think he was only regarded well once released from prison. I certainly didn't know much about him until then. Yet Only Fools and Horses was made in 1981, and they lived in Nelson Mandela House. So even in the UK we knew South Africa was on the wrong side of history. And we should know, we wrote most of it... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Palerider@feddit.uk 8 points 3 years ago* So were the IRA... And yet now here we are with Sinn Fein holding elected positions. At some point there has to be dialogue otherwise you just keep killing one another. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago As opposed to the ANC? Who literally had a terrorist wing run by Mandela? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 years ago As opposed to the IDF that’s been terrorizing Palestinians constantly? It’s terrorists in both sides. Unfortunately civilians are the ones caught in the crossfire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eikichi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago As opposed to the resistants (including many Jews) during WW2 who were literally called terrorists by Nazis ? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Palerider@feddit.uk 8 points 3 years ago* So were the IRA... And yet now here we are with Sinn Fein holding elected positions. At some point there has to be dialogue otherwise you just keep killing one another. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago As opposed to the ANC? Who literally had a terrorist wing run by Mandela? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 years ago As opposed to the IDF that’s been terrorizing Palestinians constantly? It’s terrorists in both sides. Unfortunately civilians are the ones caught in the crossfire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eikichi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago As opposed to the resistants (including many Jews) during WW2 who were literally called terrorists by Nazis ? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 years ago* (4 children) The West called Mandela a terrorist until he won and they killed MLK So permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The West being one single hive mind like the bugs in Starship Troopers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] queermunist@lemmy.ml -7 points 3 years ago* Oh sure, there is some factions within the West, but on the whole they agree on the big stuff. It's why they're all allied with eachother in the first place. It's not a hive mind, it's a team. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) And Gandhi was a black-hating Mussolini sympathiser. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago This is the sort of thing that reminds me never to trust the accepted wisdom of internet groups. Gandhi after being educated in England was only a little less racist then everyone else when he first went to South Africa and made the famous comment you're referring to... He then had his awakening against oppression and began to fight for an end to racism, one of the main popular scandals against Gandhi in South Africa was that the medical corp he set up would give aid to whoever needed it first regardless of rank, colour or ethnicity. The rest of his life he wrote and fought for the rights of all. But of course 'popular person was actually bad' is a fun hot take so of course it's going to be banded around without any nuance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The West being one single hive mind like the bugs in Starship Troopers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] queermunist@lemmy.ml -7 points 3 years ago* Oh sure, there is some factions within the West, but on the whole they agree on the big stuff. It's why they're all allied with eachother in the first place. It's not a hive mind, it's a team. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] queermunist@lemmy.ml -7 points 3 years ago* Oh sure, there is some factions within the West, but on the whole they agree on the big stuff. It's why they're all allied with eachother in the first place. It's not a hive mind, it's a team. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) And Gandhi was a black-hating Mussolini sympathiser. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago This is the sort of thing that reminds me never to trust the accepted wisdom of internet groups. Gandhi after being educated in England was only a little less racist then everyone else when he first went to South Africa and made the famous comment you're referring to... He then had his awakening against oppression and began to fight for an end to racism, one of the main popular scandals against Gandhi in South Africa was that the medical corp he set up would give aid to whoever needed it first regardless of rank, colour or ethnicity. The rest of his life he wrote and fought for the rights of all. But of course 'popular person was actually bad' is a fun hot take so of course it's going to be banded around without any nuance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago This is the sort of thing that reminds me never to trust the accepted wisdom of internet groups. Gandhi after being educated in England was only a little less racist then everyone else when he first went to South Africa and made the famous comment you're referring to... He then had his awakening against oppression and began to fight for an end to racism, one of the main popular scandals against Gandhi in South Africa was that the medical corp he set up would give aid to whoever needed it first regardless of rank, colour or ethnicity. The rest of his life he wrote and fought for the rights of all. But of course 'popular person was actually bad' is a fun hot take so of course it's going to be banded around without any nuance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de -1 points 3 years ago They dont need a Palestinian Mandela to stop military and civil aid and cooperation when Israel commits war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago The UN condemns Israel as a pastime activity. Nobody in Israel cares what they say at this point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Because they are the West’s military outpost in the Middle East A permalink fedilink source parent
[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I guess sanctions only make sense when Israel is out of the picture. permalink fedilink source parent