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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes. I condemn both. And I don't play the "which is worse" game. They are both unacceptable evils. Israel needs to stop this immediately and, at the very least, negotiate a peace if not some sort of solution to the whole issue (hopefully including at least some right of return) and Hamas needs to return the hostages.

You don't need to pick a side when both sides are committing atrocities.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

One of these “sides” could unilaterally peacefully end the conflict. For the other side choosing “peace” just means submitting to living under an occupying force as eternal second class citizens. insert mlk quote here.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you really think that Israel casually choosing to disarm itself doesn't immediately end with it being destroyed, I'd invite you to look at the 2005 IDF withdrawal from Gaza, which was done as a token of goodwill on the path to peace.

Gazans then elected Hamas and immediately began launching rockets. Israel won't make that mistake again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

why did they simply not have another election? or has another entity completely stopped that?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, both the Fatah and Gaza because both know that Palestinian people have largely become fed up with their combined inefficacy in trying to make a country of millions with a superior military just disappear.

Not to mention Iran constantly intervening to keep Hamas armed enough to suppress dissent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

"They", meaning the Israeli government, couldn't force an election because they withdrew from Gaza and have no direct power there. Hamas suspended democracy to any meaningful degree because they don't care about it. In the West Bank, elections have been suspended by the Palestinian Authority because it's likely that Hamas would win them and create another Gaza, which Israel would not allow to happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You know you can read about it yourself instead of asking strangely suggestive questions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you unilaterally declare peace?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Hamas wants all Jews gone. So I don't see how that is in any way better?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can’t unilaterally declare peace. That’s just an oxymoron.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The hostages are probably one of the things keeping some areas in Gaza secure. Was a effective move to gather as many as you can, not only as bargaining chips but strategically.

Hamaz will use them as human shields in important positions, Isreal gives little fucks about dead Palestinians, thing changes when it's your own civilians you bomb.

They should not give them back if they want to be able to operate a little further and prepare for a possible ground assault by Israel.

That's what their soldiers are more effective in, no sense in getting bombed without aa.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was raping them and recording it also to keep Israel at bay?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No, that was the work of really depraved men. It's not excusable, and I wish them the worst death has to offer.

My comment went more into a tactical, not a moral direction.