▲ 435 ▼ Israel announces 'total' blockade on Gaza (www.aljazeera.com) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by tryptaminev@feddit.de to c/world@lemmy.world 294 comments fedilink hide all child comments Edited title to match articles title.
[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) All those who condemned Hamas for attacking civilians, I wonder if they will have the same energy when Israel starves civilians? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes. I condemn both. And I don't play the "which is worse" game. They are both unacceptable evils. Israel needs to stop this immediately and, at the very least, negotiate a peace if not some sort of solution to the whole issue (hopefully including at least some right of return) and Hamas needs to return the hostages. You don't need to pick a side when both sides are committing atrocities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (4 children) One of these “sides” could unilaterally peacefully end the conflict. For the other side choosing “peace” just means submitting to living under an occupying force as eternal second class citizens. insert mlk quote here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you really think that Israel casually choosing to disarm itself doesn't immediately end with it being destroyed, I'd invite you to look at the 2005 IDF withdrawal from Gaza, which was done as a token of goodwill on the path to peace. Gazans then elected Hamas and immediately began launching rockets. Israel won't make that mistake again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) why did they simply not have another election? or has another entity completely stopped that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, both the Fatah and Gaza because both know that Palestinian people have largely become fed up with their combined inefficacy in trying to make a country of millions with a superior military just disappear. Not to mention Iran constantly intervening to keep Hamas armed enough to suppress dissent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago "They", meaning the Israeli government, couldn't force an election because they withdrew from Gaza and have no direct power there. Hamas suspended democracy to any meaningful degree because they don't care about it. In the West Bank, elections have been suspended by the Palestinian Authority because it's likely that Hamas would win them and create another Gaza, which Israel would not allow to happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago You know you can read about it yourself instead of asking strangely suggestive questions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you unilaterally declare peace? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] darthelmet@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Hamas wants all Jews gone. So I don't see how that is in any way better? permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogo@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can’t unilaterally declare peace. That’s just an oxymoron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] letsgo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The hostages are probably one of the things keeping some areas in Gaza secure. Was a effective move to gather as many as you can, not only as bargaining chips but strategically. Hamaz will use them as human shields in important positions, Isreal gives little fucks about dead Palestinians, thing changes when it's your own civilians you bomb. They should not give them back if they want to be able to operate a little further and prepare for a possible ground assault by Israel. That's what their soldiers are more effective in, no sense in getting bombed without aa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was raping them and recording it also to keep Israel at bay? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, that was the work of really depraved men. It's not excusable, and I wish them the worst death has to offer. My comment went more into a tactical, not a moral direction. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) FAFO. I'm not sure what else was going to happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marsupial@quokk.au 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel has been fucking around for decades. Yet i bet you dont use that cop out for the attack on the weekend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) How were people peacefully attending a festival fucking around? Hmm? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marsupial@quokk.au -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Partying in an apartheid state? Like shit, maybe it’s not a good idea to have a rave with the bastards commiting genocide and crimes against humanity on stolen land? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Strange fucking genocide. And as to whether the land was stolen, I'm sorry, but at this point, it doesn't matter. There was a partition plan, the Arabs wouldn't accept it, fought a bunch of wars, and got their shit kicked in. FAFO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes. I condemn both. And I don't play the "which is worse" game. They are both unacceptable evils. Israel needs to stop this immediately and, at the very least, negotiate a peace if not some sort of solution to the whole issue (hopefully including at least some right of return) and Hamas needs to return the hostages. You don't need to pick a side when both sides are committing atrocities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (4 children) One of these “sides” could unilaterally peacefully end the conflict. For the other side choosing “peace” just means submitting to living under an occupying force as eternal second class citizens. insert mlk quote here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you really think that Israel casually choosing to disarm itself doesn't immediately end with it being destroyed, I'd invite you to look at the 2005 IDF withdrawal from Gaza, which was done as a token of goodwill on the path to peace. Gazans then elected Hamas and immediately began launching rockets. Israel won't make that mistake again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) why did they simply not have another election? or has another entity completely stopped that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, both the Fatah and Gaza because both know that Palestinian people have largely become fed up with their combined inefficacy in trying to make a country of millions with a superior military just disappear. Not to mention Iran constantly intervening to keep Hamas armed enough to suppress dissent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago "They", meaning the Israeli government, couldn't force an election because they withdrew from Gaza and have no direct power there. Hamas suspended democracy to any meaningful degree because they don't care about it. In the West Bank, elections have been suspended by the Palestinian Authority because it's likely that Hamas would win them and create another Gaza, which Israel would not allow to happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago You know you can read about it yourself instead of asking strangely suggestive questions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you unilaterally declare peace? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] darthelmet@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Hamas wants all Jews gone. So I don't see how that is in any way better? permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogo@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can’t unilaterally declare peace. That’s just an oxymoron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] letsgo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The hostages are probably one of the things keeping some areas in Gaza secure. Was a effective move to gather as many as you can, not only as bargaining chips but strategically. Hamaz will use them as human shields in important positions, Isreal gives little fucks about dead Palestinians, thing changes when it's your own civilians you bomb. They should not give them back if they want to be able to operate a little further and prepare for a possible ground assault by Israel. That's what their soldiers are more effective in, no sense in getting bombed without aa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was raping them and recording it also to keep Israel at bay? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, that was the work of really depraved men. It's not excusable, and I wish them the worst death has to offer. My comment went more into a tactical, not a moral direction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (4 children) One of these “sides” could unilaterally peacefully end the conflict. For the other side choosing “peace” just means submitting to living under an occupying force as eternal second class citizens. insert mlk quote here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you really think that Israel casually choosing to disarm itself doesn't immediately end with it being destroyed, I'd invite you to look at the 2005 IDF withdrawal from Gaza, which was done as a token of goodwill on the path to peace. Gazans then elected Hamas and immediately began launching rockets. Israel won't make that mistake again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) why did they simply not have another election? or has another entity completely stopped that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, both the Fatah and Gaza because both know that Palestinian people have largely become fed up with their combined inefficacy in trying to make a country of millions with a superior military just disappear. Not to mention Iran constantly intervening to keep Hamas armed enough to suppress dissent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago "They", meaning the Israeli government, couldn't force an election because they withdrew from Gaza and have no direct power there. Hamas suspended democracy to any meaningful degree because they don't care about it. In the West Bank, elections have been suspended by the Palestinian Authority because it's likely that Hamas would win them and create another Gaza, which Israel would not allow to happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago You know you can read about it yourself instead of asking strangely suggestive questions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you unilaterally declare peace? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] darthelmet@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Hamas wants all Jews gone. So I don't see how that is in any way better? permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogo@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can’t unilaterally declare peace. That’s just an oxymoron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] letsgo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you really think that Israel casually choosing to disarm itself doesn't immediately end with it being destroyed, I'd invite you to look at the 2005 IDF withdrawal from Gaza, which was done as a token of goodwill on the path to peace. Gazans then elected Hamas and immediately began launching rockets. Israel won't make that mistake again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) why did they simply not have another election? or has another entity completely stopped that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, both the Fatah and Gaza because both know that Palestinian people have largely become fed up with their combined inefficacy in trying to make a country of millions with a superior military just disappear. Not to mention Iran constantly intervening to keep Hamas armed enough to suppress dissent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago "They", meaning the Israeli government, couldn't force an election because they withdrew from Gaza and have no direct power there. Hamas suspended democracy to any meaningful degree because they don't care about it. In the West Bank, elections have been suspended by the Palestinian Authority because it's likely that Hamas would win them and create another Gaza, which Israel would not allow to happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago You know you can read about it yourself instead of asking strangely suggestive questions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) why did they simply not have another election? or has another entity completely stopped that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, both the Fatah and Gaza because both know that Palestinian people have largely become fed up with their combined inefficacy in trying to make a country of millions with a superior military just disappear. Not to mention Iran constantly intervening to keep Hamas armed enough to suppress dissent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago "They", meaning the Israeli government, couldn't force an election because they withdrew from Gaza and have no direct power there. Hamas suspended democracy to any meaningful degree because they don't care about it. In the West Bank, elections have been suspended by the Palestinian Authority because it's likely that Hamas would win them and create another Gaza, which Israel would not allow to happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago You know you can read about it yourself instead of asking strangely suggestive questions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, both the Fatah and Gaza because both know that Palestinian people have largely become fed up with their combined inefficacy in trying to make a country of millions with a superior military just disappear. Not to mention Iran constantly intervening to keep Hamas armed enough to suppress dissent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago "They", meaning the Israeli government, couldn't force an election because they withdrew from Gaza and have no direct power there. Hamas suspended democracy to any meaningful degree because they don't care about it. In the West Bank, elections have been suspended by the Palestinian Authority because it's likely that Hamas would win them and create another Gaza, which Israel would not allow to happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago You know you can read about it yourself instead of asking strangely suggestive questions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you unilaterally declare peace? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] darthelmet@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Hamas wants all Jews gone. So I don't see how that is in any way better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogo@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can’t unilaterally declare peace. That’s just an oxymoron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] letsgo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The hostages are probably one of the things keeping some areas in Gaza secure. Was a effective move to gather as many as you can, not only as bargaining chips but strategically. Hamaz will use them as human shields in important positions, Isreal gives little fucks about dead Palestinians, thing changes when it's your own civilians you bomb. They should not give them back if they want to be able to operate a little further and prepare for a possible ground assault by Israel. That's what their soldiers are more effective in, no sense in getting bombed without aa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was raping them and recording it also to keep Israel at bay? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, that was the work of really depraved men. It's not excusable, and I wish them the worst death has to offer. My comment went more into a tactical, not a moral direction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was raping them and recording it also to keep Israel at bay? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, that was the work of really depraved men. It's not excusable, and I wish them the worst death has to offer. My comment went more into a tactical, not a moral direction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, that was the work of really depraved men. It's not excusable, and I wish them the worst death has to offer. My comment went more into a tactical, not a moral direction. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) FAFO. I'm not sure what else was going to happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marsupial@quokk.au 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel has been fucking around for decades. Yet i bet you dont use that cop out for the attack on the weekend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) How were people peacefully attending a festival fucking around? Hmm? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marsupial@quokk.au -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Partying in an apartheid state? Like shit, maybe it’s not a good idea to have a rave with the bastards commiting genocide and crimes against humanity on stolen land? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Strange fucking genocide. And as to whether the land was stolen, I'm sorry, but at this point, it doesn't matter. There was a partition plan, the Arabs wouldn't accept it, fought a bunch of wars, and got their shit kicked in. FAFO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel has been fucking around for decades. Yet i bet you dont use that cop out for the attack on the weekend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) How were people peacefully attending a festival fucking around? Hmm? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marsupial@quokk.au -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Partying in an apartheid state? Like shit, maybe it’s not a good idea to have a rave with the bastards commiting genocide and crimes against humanity on stolen land? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Strange fucking genocide. And as to whether the land was stolen, I'm sorry, but at this point, it doesn't matter. There was a partition plan, the Arabs wouldn't accept it, fought a bunch of wars, and got their shit kicked in. FAFO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) How were people peacefully attending a festival fucking around? Hmm? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marsupial@quokk.au -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Partying in an apartheid state? Like shit, maybe it’s not a good idea to have a rave with the bastards commiting genocide and crimes against humanity on stolen land? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Strange fucking genocide. And as to whether the land was stolen, I'm sorry, but at this point, it doesn't matter. There was a partition plan, the Arabs wouldn't accept it, fought a bunch of wars, and got their shit kicked in. FAFO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Marsupial@quokk.au -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Partying in an apartheid state? Like shit, maybe it’s not a good idea to have a rave with the bastards commiting genocide and crimes against humanity on stolen land? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Strange fucking genocide. And as to whether the land was stolen, I'm sorry, but at this point, it doesn't matter. There was a partition plan, the Arabs wouldn't accept it, fought a bunch of wars, and got their shit kicked in. FAFO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Strange fucking genocide. And as to whether the land was stolen, I'm sorry, but at this point, it doesn't matter. There was a partition plan, the Arabs wouldn't accept it, fought a bunch of wars, and got their shit kicked in. FAFO. permalink fedilink source parent