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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, killing some and hope the rest will try to flee to Egypt at which point Gaza is free for the taking.

Or well, maybe, they hope that in desperation people will try to rush the blockade, at which point they just kill them. Hamas awful actions have given Israel plenty of ammunition to keep everyone else on the world stage away for a while, no matter what they do now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hamas awful actions

Didn't happen in a vacuum...

There's reasons people are willing to die in a war they have no chance of winning.

It's stand up for your people or watch them essentially be tortured slowly to death.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, at the same time I can't support mass rape. Or rape in general.

Also not a fan of carrying around naked corpses of multilated people. Not a fan.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think every Palestinian is doing that?

That's the main use of propaganda, take some isolated incidents that really did happen nd really are inexcusable, and amplify the shit out of that so people think the whole side is doing that.

The militaries of both sides are doing awful shit, but only one side has the power to enforce peace.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think every Palestinian is doing that?

Which part of "Hamas awful actions" made you think that I extend this to all Palestinians?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It’s stand up for your people or watch them essentially be tortured slowly to death.

There is another option. Negotiate a viable peace, which they have refused to do repeatedly. Palestine is essentially a defeated state that refuses to acknowledge its loss or make concessions. The only victory condition they are willing to entertain is not viable and their insistence on fighting an unwinnable war, often via guerilla attacks and terrorism, will not end well for them.

[Hamas's charter,] article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gaza's last election was 17 years ago...

And Israel both refuses to recognize Hamas as a government, but also refuses to help Gaza hold an election.

They won't negotiate with Gaza, which because it was separated from the West Bank by Israel is essentially it's own government. It's pretty classic "divide and conquer".

And before you say "Israel shouldn't be involved" then why are they in charge of pretty much every other facet of Gaza?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wikipedia says Palestinian presidential elections were indefinitely postponed by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas due to a Hamas-Fatah schism:

The elections took place amid a tense atmosphere between Fatah and Hamas over the postponement of more major elections that were also scheduled for 2021. It was also reported that voters were angry with the postponement of the presidential election and the legislative election by President Mahmoud Abbas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Palestinian_local_elections


Israel both refuses to recognize Hamas as a government, but also refuses to help Gaza hold an election. ... And before you say “Israel shouldn’t be involved” then why are they in charge of pretty much every other facet of Gaza?

Because they are an adjacent hostile terrorist state, dedicated to their destruction, that they want to contain via leverage?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Raping women is standing up for palestinians is it? How exactly have the actions of hamas helped the palestinian people?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can just scroll down and read the rest of the comment chain.

I'll even quote the first for free

You think every Palestinian is doing that?

That’s the main use of propaganda, take some isolated incidents that really did happen nd really are inexcusable, and amplify the shit out of that so people think the whole side is doing that.

The militaries of both sides are doing awful shit, but only one side has the power to enforce peace.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

You said hamas awful actions didnt happen in a vacuum and that they are standing up for their people. You are justifying mass rape as a war tactic. There is plenty criticize israel for but justifying the torture of civillians is appalling.