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[–] guriinii@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago (9 children) Since when is 0°C "fairly cold" it's literally freezing. permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] morhp@lemmy.wtf 47 points 2 years ago* (4 children) 0°C is completely fine with jeans and a thick jacket, especially when it's sunny and there isn't much wind. It's cold, but there's probably not much ice or snow, if anything, probably mostly slush. Compared to say -20 C where you should have a good ski jacket and ski pants, warm shoes and socks, generally multiple layers everywhere, winter gloves and so on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kamen@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) It can be -20 C and you can be still fine with jeans and a jacket if it isn't windy. What I'm saying is temperature alone doesn't tell you the whole story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sverit@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kamen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, part of why they also have "comfort" or "feels like" in forecasts besides the actual termperature. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago But so is 100°F completely fine with a shirt and shorts and some shade. So basically: |0°F| > |100°F|, where | is the mathematical absolute operator. 0°F is really cold, while 100°F is merely somewhat hot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] joeyb4589@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago https://www.brennanshvac.com/article/humidity-temperature-strange-link-know#:~:text=In%20cold%20weather%2C%20high%20humidity,of%20warm%20air%20around%20you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] joeyb4589@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago Humidity. I'm guessing you don't live in a humid place because freezing temps are horrifically cold here. You will need a winter coat and multiple layers of your going to be outside for a while. I layer long Johns under my pants and wear my parka and a light jacket as well as 2 layers of socks. Everytime a northerner comes here they are shocked at the cold/heat. That's because the air here is full of water to the point that you will actually get wet just from the humidity, not even sweating. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 37 points 2 years ago It is also literally melting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've been in -37C snow shoveling. Since then 0C doesn't even register as cold to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Yep, and I've been in 110C in sauna. It's pretty fucking hot but not death permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] obbelusk@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I think more that if it's 100c outside the planet is basically dead. permalink fedilink source parent [–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure you mean 110°F, don't you? 110°C = 230°F 110°F = 43°C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. Finnish sauna is usually around 80°C to 90°C, but sometimes crazy people do over 100°C. The starting temp in sauna competitions was 110°C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 2 years ago I just read that wikipedia article, and man, those saunas are crazy. I guess they really did mean °C. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago You go to 43C sauna?? Lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Lol that's F permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Have you ever been to a sauna..? permalink fedilink source parent [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* 110°F is a very cold sauna. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SolarNialamide@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If a sauna is 110F I'm leaving because that thing is broken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Yeah I read spa for some reason and was thinking water temperature. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kn33@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago The northern half of the US laughs permalink fedilink source parent [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) The temperature that water freezes at is only fairly cold weather by a lot of people's perception. I'd call it "chilly". No jacket for running to the mailbox, or if I'll be outside for half an hour or so. Light jacket otherwise. I don't expect it to snow, since it's not actually cold enough usually, and there won't be ice on the ground unless it's just warmed up. So it might be "freezing", but that doesn't make it cold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gazter@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's almost like being 'fairly cold for humans' is a wide range, and subjective, therefore useless as a baseline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well I'd say that's why op chose the adverb "fairly", it gets across that it's a wide range and lacks specificity. Not completely useless as a baseline, but fairly general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gazter@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Obviously the freezing point of water is also a range (depending on purity, altitude, etc) but would you say it's less, or more specific? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago Compared with the human experience of "cold"? More specific, even when talking about ocean water and water on mountains or whatever altitude water you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) True, but that's also not super relevant to the merits of a temperature scale. Fahrenheit isn't actually based off of human subjective temperature perception, it just coincidentally lines up a bit closer with the comfortable range for people in northern temperate climates. Before it's redefinition in terms of Celsius, fahrenheit was defined by a particular temperature stable brine solution (easy to replicate for calibration), and with the freezing and boiling points of water set to be 180 degrees apart, because of the relationship with a circle. People decided we liked base10 adherence more than trigonometry, and then everyone adopted Celsius, so we should use Celsius. Doesn't make fahrenheit some sort of random scale, just deprecated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yata@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The most common defence of Fahrenheit are Americans saying it is the most suited for humans because 0 is "very cold" and 100 "very hot". That is why people are referencing it with regards to the merits of a temperature scale in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Oh, I know. I was just agreeing that it would be a crap way to design a system, but that doesn't also mean that it's not reasonable for a lot of people to feel like it fits better. It's design is as specific as Celsius and it's only coincidentally lines up with northern temperate. Preferring 10 degree temperature intervals to 5 degree intervals is a silly reason to give up compatibility, but people have their preferences. It's not like we don't teach metric in schools, or label everything in metric. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damo_omad@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago In Aus we say it's fucking freezing permalink fedilink source parent [–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Many places in the US, particularly in the East and Midwest, experience average temperatures at or below freezing (32°F) in the winter, so while it's definitely cold, it's often not considered really cold. It's not until you move further towards 0 and the negatives that most people in that area feel really cold (like weather advisory levels). Of course the further north you go, the more normal those temps are. Likewise, it's definitely not unheard of for temps to hit 100°F (37°C) in the Southwest, but it would be considered pretty hot for much of the country, and even Texas suffers at sustained temps like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joeyb4589@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Freezing temps here are definitely considered very cold. Cold enough that you need multiple layers and you should be wrapping your pipes to prevent freezing. It's very humid here. Our freezing is insanely cold. Like chills you to your bones cold. Our hot here is insanely hot as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago I dunno, man. I usually only wear a sweatshirt when it's 32. You get used to the cold fast. There was an article recently that said the researchers in Antarctica were wearing shorts because it was so warm (14F). permalink fedilink source parent [–] who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I would put it at a 3/10 permalink fedilink source parent [–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) We're not made out of water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're failing at pretending to be human. We're literally made of water. About 80% of us is water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I knew someone would say this. We don't freeze solid at 0 Celsius however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] One_numb_bum@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Only pure water freezes at 0C. And human bodies aren't going to reach 0C while alive. What point is it you're trying to make with your statement that we don't freeze solid at 0C? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Everything about -10 is warm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] morhp@lemmy.wtf 47 points 2 years ago* (4 children) 0°C is completely fine with jeans and a thick jacket, especially when it's sunny and there isn't much wind. It's cold, but there's probably not much ice or snow, if anything, probably mostly slush. Compared to say -20 C where you should have a good ski jacket and ski pants, warm shoes and socks, generally multiple layers everywhere, winter gloves and so on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kamen@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) It can be -20 C and you can be still fine with jeans and a jacket if it isn't windy. What I'm saying is temperature alone doesn't tell you the whole story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sverit@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kamen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, part of why they also have "comfort" or "feels like" in forecasts besides the actual termperature. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago But so is 100°F completely fine with a shirt and shorts and some shade. So basically: |0°F| > |100°F|, where | is the mathematical absolute operator. 0°F is really cold, while 100°F is merely somewhat hot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] joeyb4589@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago https://www.brennanshvac.com/article/humidity-temperature-strange-link-know#:~:text=In%20cold%20weather%2C%20high%20humidity,of%20warm%20air%20around%20you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] joeyb4589@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago Humidity. I'm guessing you don't live in a humid place because freezing temps are horrifically cold here. You will need a winter coat and multiple layers of your going to be outside for a while. I layer long Johns under my pants and wear my parka and a light jacket as well as 2 layers of socks. Everytime a northerner comes here they are shocked at the cold/heat. That's because the air here is full of water to the point that you will actually get wet just from the humidity, not even sweating. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kamen@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) It can be -20 C and you can be still fine with jeans and a jacket if it isn't windy. What I'm saying is temperature alone doesn't tell you the whole story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sverit@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kamen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, part of why they also have "comfort" or "feels like" in forecasts besides the actual termperature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sverit@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kamen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, part of why they also have "comfort" or "feels like" in forecasts besides the actual termperature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kamen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, part of why they also have "comfort" or "feels like" in forecasts besides the actual termperature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago But so is 100°F completely fine with a shirt and shorts and some shade. So basically: |0°F| > |100°F|, where | is the mathematical absolute operator. 0°F is really cold, while 100°F is merely somewhat hot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joeyb4589@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago https://www.brennanshvac.com/article/humidity-temperature-strange-link-know#:~:text=In%20cold%20weather%2C%20high%20humidity,of%20warm%20air%20around%20you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joeyb4589@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago Humidity. I'm guessing you don't live in a humid place because freezing temps are horrifically cold here. You will need a winter coat and multiple layers of your going to be outside for a while. I layer long Johns under my pants and wear my parka and a light jacket as well as 2 layers of socks. Everytime a northerner comes here they are shocked at the cold/heat. That's because the air here is full of water to the point that you will actually get wet just from the humidity, not even sweating. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 37 points 2 years ago It is also literally melting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've been in -37C snow shoveling. Since then 0C doesn't even register as cold to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Yep, and I've been in 110C in sauna. It's pretty fucking hot but not death permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] obbelusk@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I think more that if it's 100c outside the planet is basically dead. permalink fedilink source parent [–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure you mean 110°F, don't you? 110°C = 230°F 110°F = 43°C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. Finnish sauna is usually around 80°C to 90°C, but sometimes crazy people do over 100°C. The starting temp in sauna competitions was 110°C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 2 years ago I just read that wikipedia article, and man, those saunas are crazy. I guess they really did mean °C. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago You go to 43C sauna?? Lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Lol that's F permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Have you ever been to a sauna..? permalink fedilink source parent [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* 110°F is a very cold sauna. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SolarNialamide@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If a sauna is 110F I'm leaving because that thing is broken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Yeah I read spa for some reason and was thinking water temperature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Yep, and I've been in 110C in sauna. It's pretty fucking hot but not death permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] obbelusk@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I think more that if it's 100c outside the planet is basically dead. permalink fedilink source parent [–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure you mean 110°F, don't you? 110°C = 230°F 110°F = 43°C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. Finnish sauna is usually around 80°C to 90°C, but sometimes crazy people do over 100°C. The starting temp in sauna competitions was 110°C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 2 years ago I just read that wikipedia article, and man, those saunas are crazy. I guess they really did mean °C. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago You go to 43C sauna?? Lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Lol that's F permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Have you ever been to a sauna..? permalink fedilink source parent [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* 110°F is a very cold sauna. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SolarNialamide@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If a sauna is 110F I'm leaving because that thing is broken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Yeah I read spa for some reason and was thinking water temperature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] obbelusk@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I think more that if it's 100c outside the planet is basically dead. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure you mean 110°F, don't you? 110°C = 230°F 110°F = 43°C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. Finnish sauna is usually around 80°C to 90°C, but sometimes crazy people do over 100°C. The starting temp in sauna competitions was 110°C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 2 years ago I just read that wikipedia article, and man, those saunas are crazy. I guess they really did mean °C. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago You go to 43C sauna?? Lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. Finnish sauna is usually around 80°C to 90°C, but sometimes crazy people do over 100°C. The starting temp in sauna competitions was 110°C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 2 years ago I just read that wikipedia article, and man, those saunas are crazy. I guess they really did mean °C. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 2 years ago I just read that wikipedia article, and man, those saunas are crazy. I guess they really did mean °C. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago You go to 43C sauna?? Lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Lol that's F permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Have you ever been to a sauna..? permalink fedilink source parent [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* 110°F is a very cold sauna. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SolarNialamide@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If a sauna is 110F I'm leaving because that thing is broken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Yeah I read spa for some reason and was thinking water temperature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Have you ever been to a sauna..? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* 110°F is a very cold sauna. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SolarNialamide@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If a sauna is 110F I'm leaving because that thing is broken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Yeah I read spa for some reason and was thinking water temperature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Yeah I read spa for some reason and was thinking water temperature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kn33@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago The northern half of the US laughs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) The temperature that water freezes at is only fairly cold weather by a lot of people's perception. I'd call it "chilly". No jacket for running to the mailbox, or if I'll be outside for half an hour or so. Light jacket otherwise. I don't expect it to snow, since it's not actually cold enough usually, and there won't be ice on the ground unless it's just warmed up. So it might be "freezing", but that doesn't make it cold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gazter@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's almost like being 'fairly cold for humans' is a wide range, and subjective, therefore useless as a baseline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well I'd say that's why op chose the adverb "fairly", it gets across that it's a wide range and lacks specificity. Not completely useless as a baseline, but fairly general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gazter@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Obviously the freezing point of water is also a range (depending on purity, altitude, etc) but would you say it's less, or more specific? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago Compared with the human experience of "cold"? More specific, even when talking about ocean water and water on mountains or whatever altitude water you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) True, but that's also not super relevant to the merits of a temperature scale. Fahrenheit isn't actually based off of human subjective temperature perception, it just coincidentally lines up a bit closer with the comfortable range for people in northern temperate climates. Before it's redefinition in terms of Celsius, fahrenheit was defined by a particular temperature stable brine solution (easy to replicate for calibration), and with the freezing and boiling points of water set to be 180 degrees apart, because of the relationship with a circle. People decided we liked base10 adherence more than trigonometry, and then everyone adopted Celsius, so we should use Celsius. Doesn't make fahrenheit some sort of random scale, just deprecated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yata@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The most common defence of Fahrenheit are Americans saying it is the most suited for humans because 0 is "very cold" and 100 "very hot". That is why people are referencing it with regards to the merits of a temperature scale in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Oh, I know. I was just agreeing that it would be a crap way to design a system, but that doesn't also mean that it's not reasonable for a lot of people to feel like it fits better. It's design is as specific as Celsius and it's only coincidentally lines up with northern temperate. Preferring 10 degree temperature intervals to 5 degree intervals is a silly reason to give up compatibility, but people have their preferences. It's not like we don't teach metric in schools, or label everything in metric. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damo_omad@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago In Aus we say it's fucking freezing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gazter@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's almost like being 'fairly cold for humans' is a wide range, and subjective, therefore useless as a baseline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well I'd say that's why op chose the adverb "fairly", it gets across that it's a wide range and lacks specificity. Not completely useless as a baseline, but fairly general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gazter@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Obviously the freezing point of water is also a range (depending on purity, altitude, etc) but would you say it's less, or more specific? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago Compared with the human experience of "cold"? More specific, even when talking about ocean water and water on mountains or whatever altitude water you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) True, but that's also not super relevant to the merits of a temperature scale. Fahrenheit isn't actually based off of human subjective temperature perception, it just coincidentally lines up a bit closer with the comfortable range for people in northern temperate climates. Before it's redefinition in terms of Celsius, fahrenheit was defined by a particular temperature stable brine solution (easy to replicate for calibration), and with the freezing and boiling points of water set to be 180 degrees apart, because of the relationship with a circle. People decided we liked base10 adherence more than trigonometry, and then everyone adopted Celsius, so we should use Celsius. Doesn't make fahrenheit some sort of random scale, just deprecated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yata@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The most common defence of Fahrenheit are Americans saying it is the most suited for humans because 0 is "very cold" and 100 "very hot". That is why people are referencing it with regards to the merits of a temperature scale in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Oh, I know. I was just agreeing that it would be a crap way to design a system, but that doesn't also mean that it's not reasonable for a lot of people to feel like it fits better. It's design is as specific as Celsius and it's only coincidentally lines up with northern temperate. Preferring 10 degree temperature intervals to 5 degree intervals is a silly reason to give up compatibility, but people have their preferences. It's not like we don't teach metric in schools, or label everything in metric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well I'd say that's why op chose the adverb "fairly", it gets across that it's a wide range and lacks specificity. Not completely useless as a baseline, but fairly general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gazter@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Obviously the freezing point of water is also a range (depending on purity, altitude, etc) but would you say it's less, or more specific? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago Compared with the human experience of "cold"? More specific, even when talking about ocean water and water on mountains or whatever altitude water you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gazter@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Obviously the freezing point of water is also a range (depending on purity, altitude, etc) but would you say it's less, or more specific? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago Compared with the human experience of "cold"? More specific, even when talking about ocean water and water on mountains or whatever altitude water you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago Compared with the human experience of "cold"? More specific, even when talking about ocean water and water on mountains or whatever altitude water you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) True, but that's also not super relevant to the merits of a temperature scale. Fahrenheit isn't actually based off of human subjective temperature perception, it just coincidentally lines up a bit closer with the comfortable range for people in northern temperate climates. Before it's redefinition in terms of Celsius, fahrenheit was defined by a particular temperature stable brine solution (easy to replicate for calibration), and with the freezing and boiling points of water set to be 180 degrees apart, because of the relationship with a circle. People decided we liked base10 adherence more than trigonometry, and then everyone adopted Celsius, so we should use Celsius. Doesn't make fahrenheit some sort of random scale, just deprecated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yata@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The most common defence of Fahrenheit are Americans saying it is the most suited for humans because 0 is "very cold" and 100 "very hot". That is why people are referencing it with regards to the merits of a temperature scale in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Oh, I know. I was just agreeing that it would be a crap way to design a system, but that doesn't also mean that it's not reasonable for a lot of people to feel like it fits better. It's design is as specific as Celsius and it's only coincidentally lines up with northern temperate. Preferring 10 degree temperature intervals to 5 degree intervals is a silly reason to give up compatibility, but people have their preferences. It's not like we don't teach metric in schools, or label everything in metric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The most common defence of Fahrenheit are Americans saying it is the most suited for humans because 0 is "very cold" and 100 "very hot". That is why people are referencing it with regards to the merits of a temperature scale in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Oh, I know. I was just agreeing that it would be a crap way to design a system, but that doesn't also mean that it's not reasonable for a lot of people to feel like it fits better. It's design is as specific as Celsius and it's only coincidentally lines up with northern temperate. Preferring 10 degree temperature intervals to 5 degree intervals is a silly reason to give up compatibility, but people have their preferences. It's not like we don't teach metric in schools, or label everything in metric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Oh, I know. I was just agreeing that it would be a crap way to design a system, but that doesn't also mean that it's not reasonable for a lot of people to feel like it fits better. It's design is as specific as Celsius and it's only coincidentally lines up with northern temperate. Preferring 10 degree temperature intervals to 5 degree intervals is a silly reason to give up compatibility, but people have their preferences. It's not like we don't teach metric in schools, or label everything in metric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] damo_omad@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago In Aus we say it's fucking freezing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Many places in the US, particularly in the East and Midwest, experience average temperatures at or below freezing (32°F) in the winter, so while it's definitely cold, it's often not considered really cold. It's not until you move further towards 0 and the negatives that most people in that area feel really cold (like weather advisory levels). Of course the further north you go, the more normal those temps are. Likewise, it's definitely not unheard of for temps to hit 100°F (37°C) in the Southwest, but it would be considered pretty hot for much of the country, and even Texas suffers at sustained temps like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joeyb4589@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Freezing temps here are definitely considered very cold. Cold enough that you need multiple layers and you should be wrapping your pipes to prevent freezing. It's very humid here. Our freezing is insanely cold. Like chills you to your bones cold. Our hot here is insanely hot as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago I dunno, man. I usually only wear a sweatshirt when it's 32. You get used to the cold fast. There was an article recently that said the researchers in Antarctica were wearing shorts because it was so warm (14F). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joeyb4589@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Freezing temps here are definitely considered very cold. Cold enough that you need multiple layers and you should be wrapping your pipes to prevent freezing. It's very humid here. Our freezing is insanely cold. Like chills you to your bones cold. Our hot here is insanely hot as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago I dunno, man. I usually only wear a sweatshirt when it's 32. You get used to the cold fast. There was an article recently that said the researchers in Antarctica were wearing shorts because it was so warm (14F). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago I dunno, man. I usually only wear a sweatshirt when it's 32. You get used to the cold fast. There was an article recently that said the researchers in Antarctica were wearing shorts because it was so warm (14F). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I would put it at a 3/10 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) We're not made out of water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're failing at pretending to be human. We're literally made of water. About 80% of us is water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I knew someone would say this. We don't freeze solid at 0 Celsius however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] One_numb_bum@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Only pure water freezes at 0C. And human bodies aren't going to reach 0C while alive. What point is it you're trying to make with your statement that we don't freeze solid at 0C? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're failing at pretending to be human. We're literally made of water. About 80% of us is water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I knew someone would say this. We don't freeze solid at 0 Celsius however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] One_numb_bum@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Only pure water freezes at 0C. And human bodies aren't going to reach 0C while alive. What point is it you're trying to make with your statement that we don't freeze solid at 0C? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I knew someone would say this. We don't freeze solid at 0 Celsius however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] One_numb_bum@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Only pure water freezes at 0C. And human bodies aren't going to reach 0C while alive. What point is it you're trying to make with your statement that we don't freeze solid at 0C? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] One_numb_bum@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Only pure water freezes at 0C. And human bodies aren't going to reach 0C while alive. What point is it you're trying to make with your statement that we don't freeze solid at 0C? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Everything about -10 is warm. permalink fedilink source parent