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UBI Cash Payments Reduced Homelessness, Increased Employment in Denver (www.businessinsider.com)
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[–] 11 points 3 years ago (20 children)

Don't be absurd. Systemic change is needed. Not individual charity.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (19 children)

    What's your plan for systemic change? If you have none, why not try systemic individual charity?

    The average citizen will have to pay for UBI with taxes. Why not do it voluntarily?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (18 children)

    What’s your plan for systemic change?

    Tax the rich, redistribute wealth, stop treating basic human needs such as shelter and healthcare as profit generators.

    If you have none

    I did. Stop making stupid assumptions.

    why not try systemic individual charity?

    Please learn what words mean. There is no "systemic individual" anything.

    The average citizen will have to pay for UBI with taxes. Why not do it voluntarily?

    Because it doesn't work, you walnut.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (17 children)

    You don't have a plan, you have a wish list. How do you want to achieve your list?

    Using insults doesn't refute my points. Why not coordinate as citizens?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    You don’t have a plan, you have a wish list. How do you want to achieve your list?

    I'm sorry, you expect anyone who disagrees with you on social media to write you a thesis on restructuring society, or you just ignore them?

    It's obvious that you just want to disregard what people have to say.

    You haven't actually written anything of substance, but I have to effortpost for you? Lol, bite me.

    Using insults doesn’t refute my points.

    You don't have any points.

    Why not coordinate as citizens?

    Why do you think it hasn't already worked? Why do you think charity hasn't already accomplished what you say it will accomplish?

    Perhaps because it doesn't actually achieve systemic change. Because the people hoarding wealth do not voluntarily distribute it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (15 children)

    Maybe because the people who hoard wealth are like everybody else and too few want to share? Why expect the billionaires to share if normal people don't share?

    Right now is the first time in history since city state times that the citizens can talk and vote together.

    If people choose to share their income, they can do it now. The debate hasn't happened yet.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    Maybe because the people who hoard wealth are like everybody else and too few want to share?

    So then why are you suggesting voluntary charity if you know it doesn't actually work? Are you being deliberately dense?

    If people choose to share their income, they can do it now. The debate hasn’t happened yet.

    It has happened, just because your head is wedged so firmly up your own ass that you haven't seen it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (12 children)

    I see both desires, to have UBI and to lcontinue as is. I don't know which is stronger. I am writing these comments to find out.

    Where has the debate happened? What was the result?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    People are currently suffering. Every trial of UBI so far has been shown to alleviate suffering, and actually save money.

    Open your eyes.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (10 children)

    What's your point? I am not opposing UBI. I am arguing that we can have it right now if people want it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (9 children)

    But not through individual charity. It simply does not work. Because we have been doing charity for decades, and it has not worked.

    But it can work through taxes, to ensure that everyone contributes, and everyone benefits.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (8 children)

    Let's meet in the middle.

    Have an open register among participants for who participates and how much they pay.

    Then members are incentivized to increase the income of other members. You also have a pool of people for other projects like building cheap new housing.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (7 children)

    That isn't meeting in the middle. The people who are hoarding wealth have no incentive to participate.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (6 children)

    There is no horded wealth. If you hoard wealth, the Fed will print money until liquidity is restored. The only money that counts is the one in circulation.

    Regular citizens circulate enough money to get UBI going.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    There is no horded wealth.

    This is just about the single stupidest thing I have ever read in my entire life.

    Well done. Good bye.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (4 children)

    A sign that you may learn something.

    Jeff Bezos is rich but he cannot spend his wealth unless he is willing to give up control over Amazon. As long as he sticks to that power, his income is zero.

    Similarly, if you have money in securities, no money flows.

    So to finance UBI, the wages of the citizens are more important than the wealth of billionaires.

    Thanks for the debate.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    A sign that you may learn something.

    I would learn more from a lobotomy.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    That's not the burn you think it is.

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  • [+] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    That burns, especially seeing your comment frequency. But I would be a little bit proud if I am only annoying but not wrong.

    I care about UBI and I think the movement is stuck because they expect politicians to resolve it and billionaires to pay. That won't happen. It hurts to accept it but the sooner acceptance happens the sooner UBI is possible.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    why are you suggesting voluntary charity if you know it doesn’t actually work? Are you being deliberately dense?

    You know he is. This dude can get fucked, I'm surprised he can type full sentences with how hard he's bootlicking for billionaires.

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