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[+] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No involvement other than the thirty-odd years of provocation since the end of the cold war. C.J. Polychroniou, Dec. 23, 2021: Chomsky: Outdated US Cold War Policy Worsens Ongoing Russia-Ukraine Conflict permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That totally justifies killing 50 people in a grocery store. Why would the US force Putin to do this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) If the US hadn’t continually expanded NATO eastward against its stated promises, and hadn’t affected a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and hadn’t flooded Ukraine with weapons under the Trump & Biden administrations, then the Russian invasion probably wouldn’t have happened in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) He’s a war criminal who bombed his own people within his own borders in order to get into power. There are virtually no leftists who are confused about what kind of person Putin is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then why are you - and Chomsky - making excuses for him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We’re not making excuses for him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You're both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his "special military operation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer. And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bdonvr 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Turns out it's more complicated than "person does bad things, and so every single action and affect of their action is completely cartoonishly evil". Doesn't mean some things they do AREN'T, don't get me wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No involvement other than the thirty-odd years of provocation since the end of the cold war. C.J. Polychroniou, Dec. 23, 2021: Chomsky: Outdated US Cold War Policy Worsens Ongoing Russia-Ukraine Conflict permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That totally justifies killing 50 people in a grocery store. Why would the US force Putin to do this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) If the US hadn’t continually expanded NATO eastward against its stated promises, and hadn’t affected a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and hadn’t flooded Ukraine with weapons under the Trump & Biden administrations, then the Russian invasion probably wouldn’t have happened in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) He’s a war criminal who bombed his own people within his own borders in order to get into power. There are virtually no leftists who are confused about what kind of person Putin is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then why are you - and Chomsky - making excuses for him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We’re not making excuses for him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You're both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his "special military operation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer. And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bdonvr 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Turns out it's more complicated than "person does bad things, and so every single action and affect of their action is completely cartoonishly evil". Doesn't mean some things they do AREN'T, don't get me wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That totally justifies killing 50 people in a grocery store. Why would the US force Putin to do this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) If the US hadn’t continually expanded NATO eastward against its stated promises, and hadn’t affected a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and hadn’t flooded Ukraine with weapons under the Trump & Biden administrations, then the Russian invasion probably wouldn’t have happened in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) He’s a war criminal who bombed his own people within his own borders in order to get into power. There are virtually no leftists who are confused about what kind of person Putin is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then why are you - and Chomsky - making excuses for him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We’re not making excuses for him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You're both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his "special military operation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer. And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bdonvr 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Turns out it's more complicated than "person does bad things, and so every single action and affect of their action is completely cartoonishly evil". Doesn't mean some things they do AREN'T, don't get me wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) If the US hadn’t continually expanded NATO eastward against its stated promises, and hadn’t affected a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and hadn’t flooded Ukraine with weapons under the Trump & Biden administrations, then the Russian invasion probably wouldn’t have happened in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) He’s a war criminal who bombed his own people within his own borders in order to get into power. There are virtually no leftists who are confused about what kind of person Putin is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then why are you - and Chomsky - making excuses for him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We’re not making excuses for him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You're both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his "special military operation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer. And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bdonvr 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Turns out it's more complicated than "person does bad things, and so every single action and affect of their action is completely cartoonishly evil". Doesn't mean some things they do AREN'T, don't get me wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) He’s a war criminal who bombed his own people within his own borders in order to get into power. There are virtually no leftists who are confused about what kind of person Putin is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then why are you - and Chomsky - making excuses for him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We’re not making excuses for him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You're both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his "special military operation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer. And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bdonvr 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Turns out it's more complicated than "person does bad things, and so every single action and affect of their action is completely cartoonishly evil". Doesn't mean some things they do AREN'T, don't get me wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) He’s a war criminal who bombed his own people within his own borders in order to get into power. There are virtually no leftists who are confused about what kind of person Putin is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then why are you - and Chomsky - making excuses for him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We’re not making excuses for him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You're both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his "special military operation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer. And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bdonvr 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Turns out it's more complicated than "person does bad things, and so every single action and affect of their action is completely cartoonishly evil". Doesn't mean some things they do AREN'T, don't get me wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Then why are you - and Chomsky - making excuses for him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We’re not making excuses for him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You're both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his "special military operation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer. And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bdonvr 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Turns out it's more complicated than "person does bad things, and so every single action and affect of their action is completely cartoonishly evil". Doesn't mean some things they do AREN'T, don't get me wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We’re not making excuses for him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You're both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his "special military operation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer. And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You're both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his "special military operation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer. And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer. And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bdonvr 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Turns out it's more complicated than "person does bad things, and so every single action and affect of their action is completely cartoonishly evil". Doesn't mean some things they do AREN'T, don't get me wrong. permalink fedilink source parent