▲ 77 ▼ Uncritical support for Ben Norton against the LaRouchite cranks at The Grayzone (like Max Blumenthal). (twitter.com) submitted 3 years ago by Pluto@hexbear.net to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml 103 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/766438 Some of the replies and reposts have me chuckling.
[–] fire86743@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 3 years ago (17 children) What the fuck is the LaRouchite movement about anyway? permalink fedilink source hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (12 children) Lyndon LaRouche was in a Trotskyist org and split to make another. That org is famous for beating CPUSA people with nunchucks. That cult became full on fascist, and eventually turned into the Schiller Institute. After LaRouche’s death his cult still calls all environmentalists eco fascists, spreads conspiracy theories, and says anti-nato stuff. I think I heard they once said we could fit 100 billion people on earth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 years ago (7 children) To be fair, depending on the technological sophistication and architecture, you could fit that many on Earth. But I would highly advise against it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago (6 children) Maybe if you want to factory farm humanity like the matrix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (4 children) 100 billion? Far from it. Ecomenopoli can comfortably house trillions, more if the excess heat is handled well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) Sure it could fit all those people, but where are the resources coming from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You have three options: You create them from pure energy via fusion of atoms. Offworld. Recycling. For food there's a fourth option: High tech approach - orbital farms, horizonal farming, farming levels in the city. If you have a city wide planet, energy is no longer a problem. Otherwise you'd not have made it that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) My problem is the city wide planet. How the hell did you get all that metal. I guess you’d need star wars level tech and space knowledge/capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago You are right to guess that. I think that while fun to speculate, read and write about, this scifi stuf that the person you are replying to is writing about is not particularly relevant to the problems we are facing here and now. We should look to more realistic solutions rather than fantasizing about mining asteroids and building orbital platforms to solve our problems on earth. I mean that stuff is cool, don't get me wrong, and we should also work toward eventually getting there in the long term, but when it comes to issues that are affecting us in the short to medium term we must also have solutions that are realistic in the short to medium term, i.e. that rely on already existing science and technology. It will already be enough of a challenge to organize politically and to mobilize the economy to implement the solutions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago Like a city-planet ecumenopolis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 years ago* (1 child) LaRouche was a weird guy. Completely unhinged. He called everyone who disagreed with him a fed, but then boasted about working for the feds (whether that was true or not has yet to be conclusively proven). We have some info here, but the article is only about half-finished: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche edit: lol didn't see you'd already linked it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago No one can beat me with the prolewiki links. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 years ago Here’s the prolewiki on him: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche permalink fedilink source parent [–] fire86743@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago was in a Trotskyist org and split to make another what Trotskyist org doesn't split? permalink fedilink source parent [+] pipedpiper@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pluto@hexbear.net [S] 12 points 3 years ago Centers around a man named Lyndon LaRouche. Started in the 70s or thereabouts. His ideas, which are right-wing in nature, center around a sort-of "American socialism" that's very chauvinistic and bourgeous. permalink fedilink source parent [–] determinism2@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago haters and losers permalink fedilink source parent [–] ihaveibs@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago It pops up when contradictions sharpen and people start turning to socialism and communism, we are seeing it pop up again because of the continuing 2008 fallout and especially recently the pandemic. They want to turn people down blind alleys instead of gain true class consciousness permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (12 children) Lyndon LaRouche was in a Trotskyist org and split to make another. That org is famous for beating CPUSA people with nunchucks. That cult became full on fascist, and eventually turned into the Schiller Institute. After LaRouche’s death his cult still calls all environmentalists eco fascists, spreads conspiracy theories, and says anti-nato stuff. I think I heard they once said we could fit 100 billion people on earth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 years ago (7 children) To be fair, depending on the technological sophistication and architecture, you could fit that many on Earth. But I would highly advise against it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago (6 children) Maybe if you want to factory farm humanity like the matrix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (4 children) 100 billion? Far from it. Ecomenopoli can comfortably house trillions, more if the excess heat is handled well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) Sure it could fit all those people, but where are the resources coming from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You have three options: You create them from pure energy via fusion of atoms. Offworld. Recycling. For food there's a fourth option: High tech approach - orbital farms, horizonal farming, farming levels in the city. If you have a city wide planet, energy is no longer a problem. Otherwise you'd not have made it that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) My problem is the city wide planet. How the hell did you get all that metal. I guess you’d need star wars level tech and space knowledge/capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago You are right to guess that. I think that while fun to speculate, read and write about, this scifi stuf that the person you are replying to is writing about is not particularly relevant to the problems we are facing here and now. We should look to more realistic solutions rather than fantasizing about mining asteroids and building orbital platforms to solve our problems on earth. I mean that stuff is cool, don't get me wrong, and we should also work toward eventually getting there in the long term, but when it comes to issues that are affecting us in the short to medium term we must also have solutions that are realistic in the short to medium term, i.e. that rely on already existing science and technology. It will already be enough of a challenge to organize politically and to mobilize the economy to implement the solutions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago Like a city-planet ecumenopolis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 years ago* (1 child) LaRouche was a weird guy. Completely unhinged. He called everyone who disagreed with him a fed, but then boasted about working for the feds (whether that was true or not has yet to be conclusively proven). We have some info here, but the article is only about half-finished: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche edit: lol didn't see you'd already linked it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago No one can beat me with the prolewiki links. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 years ago Here’s the prolewiki on him: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche permalink fedilink source parent [–] fire86743@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago was in a Trotskyist org and split to make another what Trotskyist org doesn't split? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 years ago (7 children) To be fair, depending on the technological sophistication and architecture, you could fit that many on Earth. But I would highly advise against it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago (6 children) Maybe if you want to factory farm humanity like the matrix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (4 children) 100 billion? Far from it. Ecomenopoli can comfortably house trillions, more if the excess heat is handled well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) Sure it could fit all those people, but where are the resources coming from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You have three options: You create them from pure energy via fusion of atoms. Offworld. Recycling. For food there's a fourth option: High tech approach - orbital farms, horizonal farming, farming levels in the city. If you have a city wide planet, energy is no longer a problem. Otherwise you'd not have made it that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) My problem is the city wide planet. How the hell did you get all that metal. I guess you’d need star wars level tech and space knowledge/capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago You are right to guess that. I think that while fun to speculate, read and write about, this scifi stuf that the person you are replying to is writing about is not particularly relevant to the problems we are facing here and now. We should look to more realistic solutions rather than fantasizing about mining asteroids and building orbital platforms to solve our problems on earth. I mean that stuff is cool, don't get me wrong, and we should also work toward eventually getting there in the long term, but when it comes to issues that are affecting us in the short to medium term we must also have solutions that are realistic in the short to medium term, i.e. that rely on already existing science and technology. It will already be enough of a challenge to organize politically and to mobilize the economy to implement the solutions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago Like a city-planet ecumenopolis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago (6 children) Maybe if you want to factory farm humanity like the matrix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (4 children) 100 billion? Far from it. Ecomenopoli can comfortably house trillions, more if the excess heat is handled well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) Sure it could fit all those people, but where are the resources coming from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You have three options: You create them from pure energy via fusion of atoms. Offworld. Recycling. For food there's a fourth option: High tech approach - orbital farms, horizonal farming, farming levels in the city. If you have a city wide planet, energy is no longer a problem. Otherwise you'd not have made it that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) My problem is the city wide planet. How the hell did you get all that metal. I guess you’d need star wars level tech and space knowledge/capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago You are right to guess that. I think that while fun to speculate, read and write about, this scifi stuf that the person you are replying to is writing about is not particularly relevant to the problems we are facing here and now. We should look to more realistic solutions rather than fantasizing about mining asteroids and building orbital platforms to solve our problems on earth. I mean that stuff is cool, don't get me wrong, and we should also work toward eventually getting there in the long term, but when it comes to issues that are affecting us in the short to medium term we must also have solutions that are realistic in the short to medium term, i.e. that rely on already existing science and technology. It will already be enough of a challenge to organize politically and to mobilize the economy to implement the solutions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago Like a city-planet ecumenopolis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (4 children) 100 billion? Far from it. Ecomenopoli can comfortably house trillions, more if the excess heat is handled well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) Sure it could fit all those people, but where are the resources coming from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You have three options: You create them from pure energy via fusion of atoms. Offworld. Recycling. For food there's a fourth option: High tech approach - orbital farms, horizonal farming, farming levels in the city. If you have a city wide planet, energy is no longer a problem. Otherwise you'd not have made it that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) My problem is the city wide planet. How the hell did you get all that metal. I guess you’d need star wars level tech and space knowledge/capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago You are right to guess that. I think that while fun to speculate, read and write about, this scifi stuf that the person you are replying to is writing about is not particularly relevant to the problems we are facing here and now. We should look to more realistic solutions rather than fantasizing about mining asteroids and building orbital platforms to solve our problems on earth. I mean that stuff is cool, don't get me wrong, and we should also work toward eventually getting there in the long term, but when it comes to issues that are affecting us in the short to medium term we must also have solutions that are realistic in the short to medium term, i.e. that rely on already existing science and technology. It will already be enough of a challenge to organize politically and to mobilize the economy to implement the solutions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) Sure it could fit all those people, but where are the resources coming from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You have three options: You create them from pure energy via fusion of atoms. Offworld. Recycling. For food there's a fourth option: High tech approach - orbital farms, horizonal farming, farming levels in the city. If you have a city wide planet, energy is no longer a problem. Otherwise you'd not have made it that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) My problem is the city wide planet. How the hell did you get all that metal. I guess you’d need star wars level tech and space knowledge/capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago You are right to guess that. I think that while fun to speculate, read and write about, this scifi stuf that the person you are replying to is writing about is not particularly relevant to the problems we are facing here and now. We should look to more realistic solutions rather than fantasizing about mining asteroids and building orbital platforms to solve our problems on earth. I mean that stuff is cool, don't get me wrong, and we should also work toward eventually getting there in the long term, but when it comes to issues that are affecting us in the short to medium term we must also have solutions that are realistic in the short to medium term, i.e. that rely on already existing science and technology. It will already be enough of a challenge to organize politically and to mobilize the economy to implement the solutions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You have three options: You create them from pure energy via fusion of atoms. Offworld. Recycling. For food there's a fourth option: High tech approach - orbital farms, horizonal farming, farming levels in the city. If you have a city wide planet, energy is no longer a problem. Otherwise you'd not have made it that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) My problem is the city wide planet. How the hell did you get all that metal. I guess you’d need star wars level tech and space knowledge/capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago You are right to guess that. I think that while fun to speculate, read and write about, this scifi stuf that the person you are replying to is writing about is not particularly relevant to the problems we are facing here and now. We should look to more realistic solutions rather than fantasizing about mining asteroids and building orbital platforms to solve our problems on earth. I mean that stuff is cool, don't get me wrong, and we should also work toward eventually getting there in the long term, but when it comes to issues that are affecting us in the short to medium term we must also have solutions that are realistic in the short to medium term, i.e. that rely on already existing science and technology. It will already be enough of a challenge to organize politically and to mobilize the economy to implement the solutions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) My problem is the city wide planet. How the hell did you get all that metal. I guess you’d need star wars level tech and space knowledge/capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago You are right to guess that. I think that while fun to speculate, read and write about, this scifi stuf that the person you are replying to is writing about is not particularly relevant to the problems we are facing here and now. We should look to more realistic solutions rather than fantasizing about mining asteroids and building orbital platforms to solve our problems on earth. I mean that stuff is cool, don't get me wrong, and we should also work toward eventually getting there in the long term, but when it comes to issues that are affecting us in the short to medium term we must also have solutions that are realistic in the short to medium term, i.e. that rely on already existing science and technology. It will already be enough of a challenge to organize politically and to mobilize the economy to implement the solutions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago You are right to guess that. I think that while fun to speculate, read and write about, this scifi stuf that the person you are replying to is writing about is not particularly relevant to the problems we are facing here and now. We should look to more realistic solutions rather than fantasizing about mining asteroids and building orbital platforms to solve our problems on earth. I mean that stuff is cool, don't get me wrong, and we should also work toward eventually getting there in the long term, but when it comes to issues that are affecting us in the short to medium term we must also have solutions that are realistic in the short to medium term, i.e. that rely on already existing science and technology. It will already be enough of a challenge to organize politically and to mobilize the economy to implement the solutions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago Like a city-planet ecumenopolis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 years ago* (1 child) LaRouche was a weird guy. Completely unhinged. He called everyone who disagreed with him a fed, but then boasted about working for the feds (whether that was true or not has yet to be conclusively proven). We have some info here, but the article is only about half-finished: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche edit: lol didn't see you'd already linked it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago No one can beat me with the prolewiki links. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago No one can beat me with the prolewiki links. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 years ago Here’s the prolewiki on him: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fire86743@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago was in a Trotskyist org and split to make another what Trotskyist org doesn't split? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] pipedpiper@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pluto@hexbear.net [S] 12 points 3 years ago Centers around a man named Lyndon LaRouche. Started in the 70s or thereabouts. His ideas, which are right-wing in nature, center around a sort-of "American socialism" that's very chauvinistic and bourgeous. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ihaveibs@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago It pops up when contradictions sharpen and people start turning to socialism and communism, we are seeing it pop up again because of the continuing 2008 fallout and especially recently the pandemic. They want to turn people down blind alleys instead of gain true class consciousness permalink fedilink source parent