▲ 67 ▼ Anti-China Rhetoric Is Off the Charts in Western Media (thediplomat.com) submitted 2 years ago by zephyreks@lemmy.ml to c/news@beehaw.org 120 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) Then... Disprove it? If there's such distinct evidence that counters the article, might as well use it in your argument lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 51 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not how the burden of proof goes. The article is making a claim. It's on the article's authors to prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, if you have such a strong argument, why don't you use it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SuperPillowFishRoe@beehaw.org 40 points 2 years ago The person is saying the article doesn't prove their claim at all; they're not necessarily saying the article is wrong permalink fedilink source parent [+] Melpomene@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 34 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can you prove that China isn't an oppressive authoritarian capitalist state? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Do I need to? I haven't had a visceral reaction to the article. For what it's worth, China's affirmative action policies for minority groups put the US to shame. Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them, given that these infrastructure projects (while very beneficial to the endpoints) are not profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 30 points 2 years ago* Nobody else has had a visceral reaction, we’ve just pointed out bad journalism 🙂 Using big negative words might make you feel better, but it doesn’t make them accurate. You’re using them to be dismissive of our points permalink fedilink source parent [–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago Treating minorities better than the USA isn't exactly a high bar. My country also treats minorities better than the USA, it's easy to get into uni, celebrates diversity, has an alright social welfare system and socialised healthcare, does the occasional infrastructure project etc. Thanks for teaching me that I'm actually living in a socialist paradise rather than a poor, neoliberal capitalist, physically isolated island where private corporations are free to wreck the environment for profit! permalink fedilink source parent [–] SugarApplePie@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them Sorry OP but basically none of this has anything to do with not being capitalist. I don't even doubt that China is doing better in those departments than America, but that has more to do with how utterly shit America is at most things outside of building bombs than how communist China is. They should get some kudos for executing a couple billionaires, though, gotta at least give 'em that. permalink fedilink source parent [+] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 51 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not how the burden of proof goes. The article is making a claim. It's on the article's authors to prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, if you have such a strong argument, why don't you use it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SuperPillowFishRoe@beehaw.org 40 points 2 years ago The person is saying the article doesn't prove their claim at all; they're not necessarily saying the article is wrong permalink fedilink source parent [+] Melpomene@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, if you have such a strong argument, why don't you use it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SuperPillowFishRoe@beehaw.org 40 points 2 years ago The person is saying the article doesn't prove their claim at all; they're not necessarily saying the article is wrong permalink fedilink source parent [+] Melpomene@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SuperPillowFishRoe@beehaw.org 40 points 2 years ago The person is saying the article doesn't prove their claim at all; they're not necessarily saying the article is wrong permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 34 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can you prove that China isn't an oppressive authoritarian capitalist state? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Do I need to? I haven't had a visceral reaction to the article. For what it's worth, China's affirmative action policies for minority groups put the US to shame. Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them, given that these infrastructure projects (while very beneficial to the endpoints) are not profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 30 points 2 years ago* Nobody else has had a visceral reaction, we’ve just pointed out bad journalism 🙂 Using big negative words might make you feel better, but it doesn’t make them accurate. You’re using them to be dismissive of our points permalink fedilink source parent [–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago Treating minorities better than the USA isn't exactly a high bar. My country also treats minorities better than the USA, it's easy to get into uni, celebrates diversity, has an alright social welfare system and socialised healthcare, does the occasional infrastructure project etc. Thanks for teaching me that I'm actually living in a socialist paradise rather than a poor, neoliberal capitalist, physically isolated island where private corporations are free to wreck the environment for profit! permalink fedilink source parent [–] SugarApplePie@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them Sorry OP but basically none of this has anything to do with not being capitalist. I don't even doubt that China is doing better in those departments than America, but that has more to do with how utterly shit America is at most things outside of building bombs than how communist China is. They should get some kudos for executing a couple billionaires, though, gotta at least give 'em that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Do I need to? I haven't had a visceral reaction to the article. For what it's worth, China's affirmative action policies for minority groups put the US to shame. Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them, given that these infrastructure projects (while very beneficial to the endpoints) are not profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 30 points 2 years ago* Nobody else has had a visceral reaction, we’ve just pointed out bad journalism 🙂 Using big negative words might make you feel better, but it doesn’t make them accurate. You’re using them to be dismissive of our points permalink fedilink source parent [–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago Treating minorities better than the USA isn't exactly a high bar. My country also treats minorities better than the USA, it's easy to get into uni, celebrates diversity, has an alright social welfare system and socialised healthcare, does the occasional infrastructure project etc. Thanks for teaching me that I'm actually living in a socialist paradise rather than a poor, neoliberal capitalist, physically isolated island where private corporations are free to wreck the environment for profit! permalink fedilink source parent [–] SugarApplePie@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them Sorry OP but basically none of this has anything to do with not being capitalist. I don't even doubt that China is doing better in those departments than America, but that has more to do with how utterly shit America is at most things outside of building bombs than how communist China is. They should get some kudos for executing a couple billionaires, though, gotta at least give 'em that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 30 points 2 years ago* Nobody else has had a visceral reaction, we’ve just pointed out bad journalism 🙂 Using big negative words might make you feel better, but it doesn’t make them accurate. You’re using them to be dismissive of our points permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago Treating minorities better than the USA isn't exactly a high bar. My country also treats minorities better than the USA, it's easy to get into uni, celebrates diversity, has an alright social welfare system and socialised healthcare, does the occasional infrastructure project etc. Thanks for teaching me that I'm actually living in a socialist paradise rather than a poor, neoliberal capitalist, physically isolated island where private corporations are free to wreck the environment for profit! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SugarApplePie@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them Sorry OP but basically none of this has anything to do with not being capitalist. I don't even doubt that China is doing better in those departments than America, but that has more to do with how utterly shit America is at most things outside of building bombs than how communist China is. They should get some kudos for executing a couple billionaires, though, gotta at least give 'em that. permalink fedilink source parent