▲ 676 ▼ Usually connect to Walmart's WiFi but they changed their policy I guess, won't be doing that now... (lemmy.ml) submitted 2 years ago by trippingonthewire@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml 224 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 66 points 2 years ago (2 children) I think the point of this post is all the stuff below the email field. Yikes. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago* (4 children) That data isn't nothing, either. Over ten years ago, Target was able to use shoppers habits to determine when women were pregnant, sometimes even before the women knew. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.html Imagine how much more robust this has gotten 10 years later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheGoldenGod@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago Exactly, a damn good reason to avoid the Wi-Fi in stores altogether. So many wifi access points are super weak in security and super sketchy. I try sticking to my home where I can manage it like a nervous hawk. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nahvi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago This is a fantastic read. I remember febreeze coming out and being like, that would be cool but you can't trust ads and it sounds like total BS. I knew they added a scent, but I had not idea about the subtle social manipulation that they used to shift people's habits. Speaking of habits, this is the first time I have heard about all the science involved in studying and breaking them. Thank you for that link. Definitely going to save it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] minorsecond@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Would using a VPN remedy this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago Not really. With https luckily being the default, at most they could get the sites you were going to (I don't think dnss is dead, but it's been very slow to grow unfortunately). They could probably see if you're checking Amazon or Google, but wouldn't be able to see what you're looking at exactly. Theoretically they could use cameras and or triangulation to see what you're in front of when you use the Internet, but a VPN would still show traffic so they'd know you're looking up something. The big thing this would do is act like a loyalty card... They give you some amount of benefit in exchange for tracking your purchases in ever higher detail. Mostly it's just like that, except they'd also be able to see how long you are in the store, and ideally they can link it to your purchases so they can infer more about it FWIW, I wouldn't only consider giving them a disposable email permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Now they can tell when women are pregnant before they even have sex. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) Bub, they always did this. They just tell you that they're doing it now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 2 years ago I was responding to all the people who said "just use a fake email," bub... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well now they can legally use that data since you now have to agree to the terms. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago* (4 children) That data isn't nothing, either. Over ten years ago, Target was able to use shoppers habits to determine when women were pregnant, sometimes even before the women knew. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.html Imagine how much more robust this has gotten 10 years later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheGoldenGod@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago Exactly, a damn good reason to avoid the Wi-Fi in stores altogether. So many wifi access points are super weak in security and super sketchy. I try sticking to my home where I can manage it like a nervous hawk. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nahvi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago This is a fantastic read. I remember febreeze coming out and being like, that would be cool but you can't trust ads and it sounds like total BS. I knew they added a scent, but I had not idea about the subtle social manipulation that they used to shift people's habits. Speaking of habits, this is the first time I have heard about all the science involved in studying and breaking them. Thank you for that link. Definitely going to save it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] minorsecond@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Would using a VPN remedy this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago Not really. With https luckily being the default, at most they could get the sites you were going to (I don't think dnss is dead, but it's been very slow to grow unfortunately). They could probably see if you're checking Amazon or Google, but wouldn't be able to see what you're looking at exactly. Theoretically they could use cameras and or triangulation to see what you're in front of when you use the Internet, but a VPN would still show traffic so they'd know you're looking up something. The big thing this would do is act like a loyalty card... They give you some amount of benefit in exchange for tracking your purchases in ever higher detail. Mostly it's just like that, except they'd also be able to see how long you are in the store, and ideally they can link it to your purchases so they can infer more about it FWIW, I wouldn't only consider giving them a disposable email permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Now they can tell when women are pregnant before they even have sex. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGoldenGod@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago Exactly, a damn good reason to avoid the Wi-Fi in stores altogether. So many wifi access points are super weak in security and super sketchy. I try sticking to my home where I can manage it like a nervous hawk. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nahvi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago This is a fantastic read. I remember febreeze coming out and being like, that would be cool but you can't trust ads and it sounds like total BS. I knew they added a scent, but I had not idea about the subtle social manipulation that they used to shift people's habits. Speaking of habits, this is the first time I have heard about all the science involved in studying and breaking them. Thank you for that link. Definitely going to save it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] minorsecond@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Would using a VPN remedy this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago Not really. With https luckily being the default, at most they could get the sites you were going to (I don't think dnss is dead, but it's been very slow to grow unfortunately). They could probably see if you're checking Amazon or Google, but wouldn't be able to see what you're looking at exactly. Theoretically they could use cameras and or triangulation to see what you're in front of when you use the Internet, but a VPN would still show traffic so they'd know you're looking up something. The big thing this would do is act like a loyalty card... They give you some amount of benefit in exchange for tracking your purchases in ever higher detail. Mostly it's just like that, except they'd also be able to see how long you are in the store, and ideally they can link it to your purchases so they can infer more about it FWIW, I wouldn't only consider giving them a disposable email permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago Not really. With https luckily being the default, at most they could get the sites you were going to (I don't think dnss is dead, but it's been very slow to grow unfortunately). They could probably see if you're checking Amazon or Google, but wouldn't be able to see what you're looking at exactly. Theoretically they could use cameras and or triangulation to see what you're in front of when you use the Internet, but a VPN would still show traffic so they'd know you're looking up something. The big thing this would do is act like a loyalty card... They give you some amount of benefit in exchange for tracking your purchases in ever higher detail. Mostly it's just like that, except they'd also be able to see how long you are in the store, and ideally they can link it to your purchases so they can infer more about it FWIW, I wouldn't only consider giving them a disposable email permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Now they can tell when women are pregnant before they even have sex. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) Bub, they always did this. They just tell you that they're doing it now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 2 years ago I was responding to all the people who said "just use a fake email," bub... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well now they can legally use that data since you now have to agree to the terms. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 2 years ago I was responding to all the people who said "just use a fake email," bub... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well now they can legally use that data since you now have to agree to the terms. permalink fedilink source parent
