▲ 26 ▼ Highway congestion is starting to bite. How do we get cars off the road? (www.abc.net.au) submitted 3 years ago by Arfman@aussie.zone to c/australia@aussie.zone 38 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Arsisaria@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Trains. It's always trains. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Anonbal185@aussie.zone 12 points 3 years ago* That's half the answer I think the other half would be. Run at a decent frequency - minimum a train every 15 mins off-peak, every 10 if possible. Peak every 3-5 mins. Run expresses from first to last train, this is put to great effect in Sydney but prior infrastructure needs to be completed beforehand. E.g. main routes are minimum 4 tracks, some 6. Dedicated freight lines also help so they don't conflict with passenger services. What I like is that Cityrail isn't afraid to run an almost empty all stopper next to an almost empty express. New lines to be done with metro. They seem to be better than trains as they can run every 2 mins, compared to trains would be hard pressed to run every But the main point is that it is faster than even express trains, meaning you can have way more stops but still be competitive with time. Nothing tells me that I should drive than seeing trains fly past my station due to it being classified as a "small station" Suburban interchanges - not everyone wants to go to the city so it's important to provide interchanges in the suburbs. Sydney is terrible at this, for example there needs to be a Hurstville to Macquarie Park line. There is not so two of the most congested roads follow this path because there's no option but to drive. Station integration - connecting directly to places of interest like shopping centres. And over station developments. Density helps a lot too. Get rid of car centric suburbs - many stations depend on park and rides which decentives public transport use. Better integrated transport. For example trams, they have their use on street in the city where the stops are closer and it already duplicates a faster line, but once it is out it should be running on dedicated tracks so they don't need to stop at traffic lights. Similar to parts of L1 and soon Parramatta light rail in Sydney where it is completely segregated with other traffic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] spiffmeister@aussie.zone 10 points 3 years ago Are you sure it's not a tunnel for a single row of Tesla's to go through? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Treevan@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) https://files.catbox.moe/axprc7.mp4 Short "fuckcars" clip about traffic and trains. Ive saved it for this very purpose. And it's a banger. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DolphinLundgrin@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago Haha, that was fun, thanks permalink fedilink source parent [+] almightyolive@aus.social 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] syntacticmistake@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) Every 5 years they add another lane or put in a bypass for the worst offending roads that is meant to solve the problem for the next 5 years. There are never long term solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Treevan@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago "Just one more lane". https://files.catbox.moe/axprc7.mp4 That's 2 for 2 comments now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cloaker@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago We will have a "second m1" soon. Why, we will never know. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dillekant@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 years ago I guess we never learn permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Anonbal185@aussie.zone 12 points 3 years ago* That's half the answer I think the other half would be. Run at a decent frequency - minimum a train every 15 mins off-peak, every 10 if possible. Peak every 3-5 mins. Run expresses from first to last train, this is put to great effect in Sydney but prior infrastructure needs to be completed beforehand. E.g. main routes are minimum 4 tracks, some 6. Dedicated freight lines also help so they don't conflict with passenger services. What I like is that Cityrail isn't afraid to run an almost empty all stopper next to an almost empty express. New lines to be done with metro. They seem to be better than trains as they can run every 2 mins, compared to trains would be hard pressed to run every But the main point is that it is faster than even express trains, meaning you can have way more stops but still be competitive with time. Nothing tells me that I should drive than seeing trains fly past my station due to it being classified as a "small station" Suburban interchanges - not everyone wants to go to the city so it's important to provide interchanges in the suburbs. Sydney is terrible at this, for example there needs to be a Hurstville to Macquarie Park line. There is not so two of the most congested roads follow this path because there's no option but to drive. Station integration - connecting directly to places of interest like shopping centres. And over station developments. Density helps a lot too. Get rid of car centric suburbs - many stations depend on park and rides which decentives public transport use. Better integrated transport. For example trams, they have their use on street in the city where the stops are closer and it already duplicates a faster line, but once it is out it should be running on dedicated tracks so they don't need to stop at traffic lights. Similar to parts of L1 and soon Parramatta light rail in Sydney where it is completely segregated with other traffic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spiffmeister@aussie.zone 10 points 3 years ago Are you sure it's not a tunnel for a single row of Tesla's to go through? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Treevan@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) https://files.catbox.moe/axprc7.mp4 Short "fuckcars" clip about traffic and trains. Ive saved it for this very purpose. And it's a banger. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DolphinLundgrin@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago Haha, that was fun, thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DolphinLundgrin@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago Haha, that was fun, thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[+] almightyolive@aus.social 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] syntacticmistake@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) Every 5 years they add another lane or put in a bypass for the worst offending roads that is meant to solve the problem for the next 5 years. There are never long term solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Treevan@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago "Just one more lane". https://files.catbox.moe/axprc7.mp4 That's 2 for 2 comments now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cloaker@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago We will have a "second m1" soon. Why, we will never know. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dillekant@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 years ago I guess we never learn permalink fedilink source parent
[–] syntacticmistake@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) Every 5 years they add another lane or put in a bypass for the worst offending roads that is meant to solve the problem for the next 5 years. There are never long term solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Treevan@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago "Just one more lane". https://files.catbox.moe/axprc7.mp4 That's 2 for 2 comments now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cloaker@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago We will have a "second m1" soon. Why, we will never know. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Treevan@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago "Just one more lane". https://files.catbox.moe/axprc7.mp4 That's 2 for 2 comments now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cloaker@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago We will have a "second m1" soon. Why, we will never know. permalink fedilink source parent