▲ 255 ▼ important rulepost (lemmy.world) submitted 3 years ago by dsmaster7173@lemmy.world to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone 210 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Discoslugs@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie Basically, it's Communists who support authoritarianism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago* There's a lot of abstractions in that link but I think the following action is a meaningful distinction to call out: The term is also used to describe people who endorse, defend, or deny the crimes committed by communist leaders such as Vladimir Lenin,[7][8] Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Kim il-Sung. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) what is "authoritarianism" to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) heirarchy in any form permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) well that's just childish isn't it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) do you consider that a rebuttal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) yes because it's not anything intelligent enough to be thoughtfully argued against. a 7 year old could see the holes in such an idea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I oppose one more system of authority than you do, in the interest of ideological consistency, intellectual honesty. are you taking the position of a literal child? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) is revolution not putting the authority of the people over those in power, and bringing those people low? that's "hierarchy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* that depends if you draw distinction between the people and the state (which is merely an abstraction of capital) state capitalism, as defined by lenin, is not a classless society, and is indefensible as a liberatory philosophy. just as liberalism abolished the monarchy only to replace it with a dictatorship of private capital, authoritarian socialism replaced monarchy with a beaurocratic ruling class and unilateral control of the means of production. the neck cares not the color of the boot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago* There's a lot of abstractions in that link but I think the following action is a meaningful distinction to call out: The term is also used to describe people who endorse, defend, or deny the crimes committed by communist leaders such as Vladimir Lenin,[7][8] Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Kim il-Sung. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) what is "authoritarianism" to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) heirarchy in any form permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) well that's just childish isn't it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) do you consider that a rebuttal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) yes because it's not anything intelligent enough to be thoughtfully argued against. a 7 year old could see the holes in such an idea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I oppose one more system of authority than you do, in the interest of ideological consistency, intellectual honesty. are you taking the position of a literal child? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) is revolution not putting the authority of the people over those in power, and bringing those people low? that's "hierarchy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* that depends if you draw distinction between the people and the state (which is merely an abstraction of capital) state capitalism, as defined by lenin, is not a classless society, and is indefensible as a liberatory philosophy. just as liberalism abolished the monarchy only to replace it with a dictatorship of private capital, authoritarian socialism replaced monarchy with a beaurocratic ruling class and unilateral control of the means of production. the neck cares not the color of the boot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) heirarchy in any form permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) well that's just childish isn't it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) do you consider that a rebuttal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) yes because it's not anything intelligent enough to be thoughtfully argued against. a 7 year old could see the holes in such an idea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I oppose one more system of authority than you do, in the interest of ideological consistency, intellectual honesty. are you taking the position of a literal child? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) is revolution not putting the authority of the people over those in power, and bringing those people low? that's "hierarchy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* that depends if you draw distinction between the people and the state (which is merely an abstraction of capital) state capitalism, as defined by lenin, is not a classless society, and is indefensible as a liberatory philosophy. just as liberalism abolished the monarchy only to replace it with a dictatorship of private capital, authoritarian socialism replaced monarchy with a beaurocratic ruling class and unilateral control of the means of production. the neck cares not the color of the boot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) well that's just childish isn't it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) do you consider that a rebuttal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) yes because it's not anything intelligent enough to be thoughtfully argued against. a 7 year old could see the holes in such an idea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I oppose one more system of authority than you do, in the interest of ideological consistency, intellectual honesty. are you taking the position of a literal child? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) is revolution not putting the authority of the people over those in power, and bringing those people low? that's "hierarchy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* that depends if you draw distinction between the people and the state (which is merely an abstraction of capital) state capitalism, as defined by lenin, is not a classless society, and is indefensible as a liberatory philosophy. just as liberalism abolished the monarchy only to replace it with a dictatorship of private capital, authoritarian socialism replaced monarchy with a beaurocratic ruling class and unilateral control of the means of production. the neck cares not the color of the boot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) do you consider that a rebuttal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) yes because it's not anything intelligent enough to be thoughtfully argued against. a 7 year old could see the holes in such an idea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I oppose one more system of authority than you do, in the interest of ideological consistency, intellectual honesty. are you taking the position of a literal child? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) is revolution not putting the authority of the people over those in power, and bringing those people low? that's "hierarchy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* that depends if you draw distinction between the people and the state (which is merely an abstraction of capital) state capitalism, as defined by lenin, is not a classless society, and is indefensible as a liberatory philosophy. just as liberalism abolished the monarchy only to replace it with a dictatorship of private capital, authoritarian socialism replaced monarchy with a beaurocratic ruling class and unilateral control of the means of production. the neck cares not the color of the boot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) yes because it's not anything intelligent enough to be thoughtfully argued against. a 7 year old could see the holes in such an idea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I oppose one more system of authority than you do, in the interest of ideological consistency, intellectual honesty. are you taking the position of a literal child? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) is revolution not putting the authority of the people over those in power, and bringing those people low? that's "hierarchy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* that depends if you draw distinction between the people and the state (which is merely an abstraction of capital) state capitalism, as defined by lenin, is not a classless society, and is indefensible as a liberatory philosophy. just as liberalism abolished the monarchy only to replace it with a dictatorship of private capital, authoritarian socialism replaced monarchy with a beaurocratic ruling class and unilateral control of the means of production. the neck cares not the color of the boot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I oppose one more system of authority than you do, in the interest of ideological consistency, intellectual honesty. are you taking the position of a literal child? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) is revolution not putting the authority of the people over those in power, and bringing those people low? that's "hierarchy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* that depends if you draw distinction between the people and the state (which is merely an abstraction of capital) state capitalism, as defined by lenin, is not a classless society, and is indefensible as a liberatory philosophy. just as liberalism abolished the monarchy only to replace it with a dictatorship of private capital, authoritarian socialism replaced monarchy with a beaurocratic ruling class and unilateral control of the means of production. the neck cares not the color of the boot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) is revolution not putting the authority of the people over those in power, and bringing those people low? that's "hierarchy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* that depends if you draw distinction between the people and the state (which is merely an abstraction of capital) state capitalism, as defined by lenin, is not a classless society, and is indefensible as a liberatory philosophy. just as liberalism abolished the monarchy only to replace it with a dictatorship of private capital, authoritarian socialism replaced monarchy with a beaurocratic ruling class and unilateral control of the means of production. the neck cares not the color of the boot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* that depends if you draw distinction between the people and the state (which is merely an abstraction of capital) state capitalism, as defined by lenin, is not a classless society, and is indefensible as a liberatory philosophy. just as liberalism abolished the monarchy only to replace it with a dictatorship of private capital, authoritarian socialism replaced monarchy with a beaurocratic ruling class and unilateral control of the means of production. the neck cares not the color of the boot permalink fedilink source parent