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I'm with Kira (startrek.website)
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[–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

You were never apart from society so you are bound by the social contract by default, failure to uphold the social contract will result in the following violence: being put in the corner, being told 'no', spanking, detention, suspension, loss of employment, physical violence, police arrest, incarceration, garnishing of wages, loss of access to social services, etc.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    That's an argument to uphold the analogy of a social contract. Basically arguing it's it fine to be born into a contract you had no choice in. However, that same logic can be used to justify all sorts of terrible things. It goes all the way back to the bible and earlier: Holding the child responsible for the sins of their father.

    It doesn't however directly address my claim of moral high ground, for using what I call unearned compassion to win over bigots.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    This isn't an argument, it's a fact. The only way to not be part of the social contract is to remove yourself from society, including all of societies infrastructure. You are obligated to support and work within the rules of the society you are a part of. If you object on moral reasons then you can make your attempts to change your society or which society you are part of through whatever means you have access to.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That is all true, as long as you're not using it to justify a moral position. Those are all facts. Well... Not the "social contract" phrase. That's a term of art based on an analogy. But you're salient point is absolutely a fact, and correct. We do agree on that.

    But again, it says nothing against the concept I'm trying to promote and argue here. The most moral way to handle a bigot is with compassion, rather then more hatred.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the limitlessness of human belligerence.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not exactly? I don't think. I think your referring to the belligerence of humanity as a whole. While I'm talking about individual action.

    If you personally run across someone bigoted, it would be better for both of you, if you tried to be their friend. It'll help you both see past your different prejudices.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    The real bigots don't see past their prejudices, that's why they're bigots.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    People can become bigots for a variety of reasons. Many are fully aware of their prejudices, and feel they have justification. Bigots are nearly as diverse as people as the those they dislike.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A worldview that is incompatible with the cooperation of society. If you want to go play apologist for a bigot you might as well be one.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Who's worldview is incompatible? Mine or theirs? Or both?
    And who's apologizing? I'm simply point out that they're a diverse group, with diverse motivations.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    apologist
    /əˈpɒlədʒɪst/
    noun
    a person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial.
    'critics said he was an apologist for colonialism'
    synonyms: defender, supporter, upholder, advocate, proponent, exponent, propagandist, apostle, champion, backer, promoter, campaigner, spokesman, spokeswoman, spokesperson, speaker, arguer, enthusiast

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