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[–] 183 points 3 years ago (73 children)

That leaked email conveniently assumes the owner of Valve would sell it. I can't think of a reason for Gabe to do that.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (27 children)

    Other people work at Valve other than Gabe. It's entirely possible there's others in the top management team.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    Companies rise and die all the time. Let's just hope when Valve dies, other (not shitty) company rises to replace it.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    If Valve dies and I lose thousands of dollars in games, there won't be another company for me, pure piracy until I die.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Its gonna happen.

    Cause its already happened with other services, like Direct2Drive. Lost dozens of games from that being bought/sold/going under/rebranding whatever weird as fuck path its taken to be able to keep my money and not let me have any of the games I bought.

    Digital Distribution is a plague, and most people refuse to look past the tip of their instant gratification to realize it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    Oh we did look. Gabe's promise was to give us warning and an unlock on all our games so it could run without steam. There might be a jam in the rush to download and backup everything.

    I didn't like digital distribution and have been burned by Stardock (for selling out to Gamestop) and then by Gamestop (for shutting down my account without cause or notice). But Steam is the least offensive of the DD offerings.

    Then again I've never been wronged by Steam and others have. Others have, amd I understand Steam support can be ruthlessly cold.

    I still have CD and DVD games I like with no DD alternative sources. (I'll buy them from GOG when they're on the cheap just for convenience.) Some of them have exceeded their official shelf lives, and would depend on finding a no-disc-check mod online.

    In this age, we should be able to download a game from any archive and just keep our licenses. But our society and the game industry only gets more and more resentful of its customer base.

    If Steam dies, I'll likely just pirate relentlessly and only actually buy games whose dev teams I want to support. ( Terraria and DRG serve as good examples -- games where lighting and mining are complex mechanics). And the industry will suffer every time a DD platforn enshittifies.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (6 children)

    I argue that digital is good as long as you make backups of your games.

    I have an external drive full of steam games that steam can't touch. So I'll always have those games. Barring I lose the drive or don't transfer the files before it becomes unreadable.

    Another example where digital is good imo is the Switch. Those tiny game cards can suck my ass. If I drop one on my carpet it'll be gone until next spring. Having multiple games saved on SD cards is the way to go.

    Other than that, I agree.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    You're backups wont work if valve ceases to exist, since you need to be logged into a steam account, that owns the games, to restore the backups.

    Same reason my D2D games ceased to work, cause D2D went away, along with their authentication servers.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Valve did promise their customers will have a way to access their game if the company have to shutdown. But if the company got enshittified instead of dying, suck to the customers I guess.

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  • [–] 55 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    This is the biggest problem with Valve at the moment. They're awesome, but only because of the current leadership. Once these guys retire or die, it's very likely Valve will enshittify like every other business.

    Valve needs to be hit by regulators at some point. They just have too much market power.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I wish the decent guys who started companies would leave a directive for the company that must be followed to prevent it from becoming just another shitty piece of garbage like everything else these days has become thanks to the geniuses with business degrees running the world.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    But there's no practical way you could hold the future owners of the business to that directive. If you own the business, you get to set the directives, including overwriting previous ones.

    The only way to enforce it is to maintain controlling interest in the business. Or, at least spread the interest among multiple parties so no one person can dictate it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

    Valve is not awesome at all. Ffs, they didn't become a monopoly by accident. People need to stop worshipping this company just because they started packaging wine with their app.

    This is the same company that literally started the trend of requiring storefronts and custom installers for their games with HL2... the exact same thing people whine about EA and Blizzard doing.

    PC gaming will become a total shit show if Valve dies and they'll be fully responsible for it.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    This is the same company that literally started the trend of requiring storefronts and custom installers for their games with HL2… the exact same thing people whine about EA and Blizzard doing.

    But the thing is, Valve were never really dicks about it. They gave you a storefront, but it was actually useful. They collected user hardware data, but presented it aggregated to you and didn't use it for marketing. Valve did many of the things gamers are rightly wary of, and did some of them first, but they rarely did it in a way that was predatory towards their users, like many other businesses do.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    What valve does is so distinct from what most of the industry does the comparison is laughable. Valve is still a company and not our friend sure, but they are not openly anti-consumer like EA or Blizzard. And they don't abuse their monopolies like Google or Microsoft.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    just because they started packaging wine with their app

    Even if that's all they did, that is more than anyone else is doing. What they really did was make nearly every game they sell easily playable without requiring you to use Windows. As byproduct, DXVK (part of Valve's Proton) provides greater compatibility and performance for Windows users as well (Intel ARC driver and DX9 game support for example). They have salaried employees working exclusively on making this work and their development is open source for anyone to use modify and share. Epic or any other store front could freely take advantage of this work and benefit why don't they do that instead of whining?

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Money? Remember when people thought that about Mojang?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Gabe seems to be able to handle wealth much better than notch, at least. If he would have been susceptible to falling off the deep end like notch, he would have already done so.

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