▲ 445 ▼ The 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 got another ‘unavoidable’ RAM price hike (www.theverge.com) submitted 2 days ago by Itwasntme223@discuss.online to c/technology@lemmy.world 122 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 101 points 2 days ago* (16 children) When it was introduced the Pi cost $15 It was a 700MHz single core board with 512mb of ram...and it was $35, not $15 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children) And if tech had been proceeding since then as it did for the previous 30 years, you'd expect a whole lot more power for your $15 $35 now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (5 children) An ESP32-P4 is about the same ram, better IO options, but half the CPU of the original Pi for about $20 right now. So the tech has been progressing a little bit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago The Pi Pico is a 32-bit processor for far less than $20. A microcontroller is in a completely different category from the Pi 5 permalink fedilink source parent [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 19 points 2 days ago ESP32-P4 Theres a ton of ebook readers that are using the esp32 as a baseline. and meshtastic. Its a fantastic set of chips and setup. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 8 points 2 days ago (1 child) It's also been 14 years. "About the same ram...but half the CPU" for over half the price (original comment was wrong, it was $35, not $15) is not a flex. It's a stunning failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] europeancricket@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago The economic aspect of Moore's law has been broken. Luckily we still have capabilities for a few more years of innovation in the performance scaling. For now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] solrize@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) The original Pi had 512MB not KB. It ran Linux and had an SD card "disk". The ESP32 series aren't in the same class. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago* (4 children) It was also $35 at release, not $15 You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 child) But a powerful CPU was never the point of the raspi. It was intended to be a cheap computer for your own hobby projects, iot setup and to learn about hardware, sensors and programming. The price was low so it would not ruin you if you made a mistake and fried the hardware. This is no longer the case when it costs 3 digits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Schmerzbold@feddit.org 1 point 1 day ago But you can still do that. Buy the 1GB Pi 4, it costs $35-$40. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 child) You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. Maybe in a vacuum, but in a world with millions or even billions of 'legacy' devices sitting around collecting dust that have equal or better compute power for less cost, these devices don't really make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago No I completely agree, they make no sense these days. I was just saying that innovation has actually carried them forward and how much more power you actually get compared to the original raspis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago Moore’s law ran for 40 years but hit a wall around 2010 due to physics. “Free” upgrades ended long before AI bros started buying up all the RAM and GPUs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) Been there, and even have the shirt to prove it 😃 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago So do I! permalink fedilink source parent [–] privatizetwiddle@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago Just to be pedantic: mb would be millibits, or thousandths of a bit. MB is its big brother megabytes. Fun fact: a kb is a thousand thousand times bigger than a mb! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children) And if tech had been proceeding since then as it did for the previous 30 years, you'd expect a whole lot more power for your $15 $35 now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (5 children) An ESP32-P4 is about the same ram, better IO options, but half the CPU of the original Pi for about $20 right now. So the tech has been progressing a little bit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago The Pi Pico is a 32-bit processor for far less than $20. A microcontroller is in a completely different category from the Pi 5 permalink fedilink source parent [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 19 points 2 days ago ESP32-P4 Theres a ton of ebook readers that are using the esp32 as a baseline. and meshtastic. Its a fantastic set of chips and setup. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 8 points 2 days ago (1 child) It's also been 14 years. "About the same ram...but half the CPU" for over half the price (original comment was wrong, it was $35, not $15) is not a flex. It's a stunning failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] europeancricket@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago The economic aspect of Moore's law has been broken. Luckily we still have capabilities for a few more years of innovation in the performance scaling. For now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] solrize@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) The original Pi had 512MB not KB. It ran Linux and had an SD card "disk". The ESP32 series aren't in the same class. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago* (4 children) It was also $35 at release, not $15 You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 child) But a powerful CPU was never the point of the raspi. It was intended to be a cheap computer for your own hobby projects, iot setup and to learn about hardware, sensors and programming. The price was low so it would not ruin you if you made a mistake and fried the hardware. This is no longer the case when it costs 3 digits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Schmerzbold@feddit.org 1 point 1 day ago But you can still do that. Buy the 1GB Pi 4, it costs $35-$40. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 child) You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. Maybe in a vacuum, but in a world with millions or even billions of 'legacy' devices sitting around collecting dust that have equal or better compute power for less cost, these devices don't really make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago No I completely agree, they make no sense these days. I was just saying that innovation has actually carried them forward and how much more power you actually get compared to the original raspis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago Moore’s law ran for 40 years but hit a wall around 2010 due to physics. “Free” upgrades ended long before AI bros started buying up all the RAM and GPUs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (5 children) An ESP32-P4 is about the same ram, better IO options, but half the CPU of the original Pi for about $20 right now. So the tech has been progressing a little bit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago The Pi Pico is a 32-bit processor for far less than $20. A microcontroller is in a completely different category from the Pi 5 permalink fedilink source parent [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 19 points 2 days ago ESP32-P4 Theres a ton of ebook readers that are using the esp32 as a baseline. and meshtastic. Its a fantastic set of chips and setup. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 8 points 2 days ago (1 child) It's also been 14 years. "About the same ram...but half the CPU" for over half the price (original comment was wrong, it was $35, not $15) is not a flex. It's a stunning failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] europeancricket@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago The economic aspect of Moore's law has been broken. Luckily we still have capabilities for a few more years of innovation in the performance scaling. For now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] solrize@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) The original Pi had 512MB not KB. It ran Linux and had an SD card "disk". The ESP32 series aren't in the same class. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago The Pi Pico is a 32-bit processor for far less than $20. A microcontroller is in a completely different category from the Pi 5 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 19 points 2 days ago ESP32-P4 Theres a ton of ebook readers that are using the esp32 as a baseline. and meshtastic. Its a fantastic set of chips and setup. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 8 points 2 days ago (1 child) It's also been 14 years. "About the same ram...but half the CPU" for over half the price (original comment was wrong, it was $35, not $15) is not a flex. It's a stunning failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] europeancricket@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago The economic aspect of Moore's law has been broken. Luckily we still have capabilities for a few more years of innovation in the performance scaling. For now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] europeancricket@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago The economic aspect of Moore's law has been broken. Luckily we still have capabilities for a few more years of innovation in the performance scaling. For now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) The original Pi had 512MB not KB. It ran Linux and had an SD card "disk". The ESP32 series aren't in the same class. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago* (4 children) It was also $35 at release, not $15 You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 child) But a powerful CPU was never the point of the raspi. It was intended to be a cheap computer for your own hobby projects, iot setup and to learn about hardware, sensors and programming. The price was low so it would not ruin you if you made a mistake and fried the hardware. This is no longer the case when it costs 3 digits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Schmerzbold@feddit.org 1 point 1 day ago But you can still do that. Buy the 1GB Pi 4, it costs $35-$40. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 child) You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. Maybe in a vacuum, but in a world with millions or even billions of 'legacy' devices sitting around collecting dust that have equal or better compute power for less cost, these devices don't really make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago No I completely agree, they make no sense these days. I was just saying that innovation has actually carried them forward and how much more power you actually get compared to the original raspis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 child) But a powerful CPU was never the point of the raspi. It was intended to be a cheap computer for your own hobby projects, iot setup and to learn about hardware, sensors and programming. The price was low so it would not ruin you if you made a mistake and fried the hardware. This is no longer the case when it costs 3 digits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Schmerzbold@feddit.org 1 point 1 day ago But you can still do that. Buy the 1GB Pi 4, it costs $35-$40. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Schmerzbold@feddit.org 1 point 1 day ago But you can still do that. Buy the 1GB Pi 4, it costs $35-$40. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 child) You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. Maybe in a vacuum, but in a world with millions or even billions of 'legacy' devices sitting around collecting dust that have equal or better compute power for less cost, these devices don't really make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago No I completely agree, they make no sense these days. I was just saying that innovation has actually carried them forward and how much more power you actually get compared to the original raspis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago No I completely agree, they make no sense these days. I was just saying that innovation has actually carried them forward and how much more power you actually get compared to the original raspis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago Moore’s law ran for 40 years but hit a wall around 2010 due to physics. “Free” upgrades ended long before AI bros started buying up all the RAM and GPUs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) Been there, and even have the shirt to prove it 😃 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago So do I! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] privatizetwiddle@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago Just to be pedantic: mb would be millibits, or thousandths of a bit. MB is its big brother megabytes. Fun fact: a kb is a thousand thousand times bigger than a mb! permalink fedilink source parent