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[–] 47 points 1 day ago* (39 children)

I feel like you're treating cars as the reason people wear bike helmets, and as a commuter cyclist.... No?

If cars did not exist, you should still wear a helmet. If I were in perfect visibility on a straight, guaranteed clear, brand-new concrete bike path that has nobody else on it except a first aid team trailing 200 feet behind me, I would still wear a helmet because I'm not a fucking idiot.

And whereas it's obviously common to recommend wearing bright colors, I don't think I've ever seen helmets be the main PPE someone targets specifically for a car crash.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 hours ago

    Risk: car collisions

    Elimination: no cars, walkable cities

    Substitution: trains, buses, alternative transportation

    Engineering: highways, sidewalks, traffic lights, bicycle lanes, school zones, speed limits, DUI tests, etc

    Administrative: driving licences, road safety campaigns, law enforcement, vehicle attention / lane departure / impending collision alerts

    PPE: seatbelts, helmets, crumple zones, lowered vehicle centre of gravity

    We went all in on the least effective measures, and most of them only benefit the driver of a car, not pedestrians or cyclists

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  • [–] 12 points 21 hours ago

    I think the point here is that we wear helmets for reasons that have little to do with cars, but traffic safety engineers treat helmets and high-viz as the be-all, end-all of rider protection. (Because they actually don't give a shit about safety, rather just a plausible way to blame the victims so they don't get sued.)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

    I don't think I've ever seen helmets be the main PPE someone targets specifically for a car crash.

    I used to drive with a bike hating friend and he liked the schlubs hugging the shoulder in blue jeans and no helmet. "See? That's not a problem; he's fine," he'd say, "it's the assholes with the spandex that think they own the road that I hate."

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  • [–] -4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    do you wear a helmet when you walk? if not why not, you can trip, fall smash your head.

    do you wear a helmet when driving a car? lots of head injuries in car accidents

    places that have very high rates of cycling don't wear helmets.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Insane take tbh, I refuse to wear a helmet when biking. Why?

    I want car drivers to act more carefully around me, and I have no need for bicycle helmets because the environment is calm and safe (lots of bicycle infrastructure here).

    Having to wear helmets bc carbrains can't be arsed to bugger off is next level victim blaming...

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    You do realize that falling off your bike without a helmet, no cars in sight whatsoever, can still give you a concussion and brain damage? That's the reason you should wear one.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago*

    Helmets help in single bike collisions/falls, it's true. You'll see more people wearing helmets when the bike path are icy. "Wear a helmet" can be good individual advice depending on the context. But we all have hair triggers because of the use of helmet laws to end bike shares or blame victims -- that driver of an SUV ran the cyclist off the road, but was he wearing a helmet?? Just look at the commenter above saying they'd wear a helmet even in a low risk situation, "because they're not a fucking idiot." That language furthers the perception that riding a bike is always a dangerous activity, and anyone not wearing a helmet had it coming...

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I have been in several bike and scooter accidents, only 1 was caused by a car and in all but one my helmet saved me from a worse fate. Most mountain bikers wear helmets well away from cars.

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  • My worst bike accident was caused by a dog, a herding breed who took offense to my going past him at 25 mph and ran into my front wheel. The most annoying thing was his wandering off and taking a nap after he brought me down with a torn knee ligament.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 day ago (22 children)

    Insane take. Heard this quote from a German new to the US: are all these adults wearing helmets because they're afraid they'll fall off?

    I wear a helmet when I'm mountain biking because there there is a risk I'll fall off.

    I can't remember the last time i fell off on my commute to work.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 day ago* (8 children)

    Shit, you're right, actually. My doctor growing up telling me that a helmet protects my brain, spine, and face from lifelong, debilitating injury that he's seen all too many times was probably a stupid idiot who thinks people fall off bikes sometimes even when they think they won't. What a drip!

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  • [+] -12 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    Exactly. Wearing a helmet also protects you while walking, but it is not a cultural norm to do that.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago* (5 children)

    Falling off a bike at speed is a lot more dangerous than doing so while walking though. Even if you believe wearing a helmet while biking is overkill, I don't think comparing it to walking really makes that point.

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  • [–] -2 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

    If you're road cycling at speed, it would make sense to wear a helmet. But if you're biking to work at a reasonable speed, it is not much different from walking. Which is why it is normal to dress for the destination in countries where people are less worried about being hit by a car. It is never wrong to wear a helmet.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

    Kinetic energy increases with the square of velocity. 3 mph is a normal walking speed while 12-15 mph is a reasonable cycling speed, and 30 mph is easy to achieve on a downhill. The energy difference is not "not much".

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago (2 children)

    Not sure what the point is here. You can wear a helmet if you want. But you shouldn't be forced to.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    You literally wrote "if you’re biking to work at a reasonable speed, it is not much different from walking." The point is that you're wrong about that, it is very different in terms of the energy involved, which generally determines how severe an accident is. Your argument that "you shouldn't be forced to [wear a helmet]" is a different argument entirely.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

    "It is not much different " the evaluation of that sentence relies on context. There is a lot that is different. The part that isn't different is the risk of head injuries for adult riders who know how to ride a bike.

    The type of comment i replied to originally (e.g., helmets are important even on flat bike paths with no cars) is unfortunately the exact kind of language employed by people who want to make helmet use mandatory, whether they want to also suppress bicycle use, or are simply misguided.

    Here is some context: https://usa.streetsblog.org/2025/05/16/friday-video-a-deep-dive-on-the-endless-debate-over-bike-helmets

    https://www.bikeradar.com/features/lifting-the-lid-on-the-helmet-debate

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    I can't remember the last time i fell off on my commute to work

    That's called a traumatic brain injury sweetie.

    On a serious note, it really happened to a friend. He went from riding his electric scooter home on a Friday night to being in the ER with a concussion, collapsed lung and 8 broken ribs in a blink of an eye. We suspect a hit and run but no witnesses and no memories of it. He was wearing a helmet.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago*

    He might have just hit something in the road. I bicycled a lot when I lived in Florida and they used to have these turn lane dividers that were basically upside-down metal bowls that were bolted to the asphalt -- no big deal for cars but enough to send a cyclist to the ground if he doesn't see them, like I didn't one night.

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  • [–] 0 points 16 hours ago

    Right -- the danger is from cars. Wearing ahelmet is a rarional response to the danger. Although scooters are a lot easier to fall off than bikes since speed/momentum does not keep them upright.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I can’t remember the last time i fell off on my commute to work.

    The only time I've hit my head while biking was on my way home from running an errand (so not exactly commuting, but still utility cycling). I was riding past a construction site and, being an engineer, was distracted looking at the structure when my wheels caught the edge of a metal plate covering a hole in the road. I keep my broken helmet as a sort of memento mori, because it definitely would've been bad if I hadn't been wearing one.

    On an individual basis, IMO it's always safer to wear a helmet than not. On a societal basis, helmets for biking should not be required because it's better to have more people biking than to choose to drive instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    There's a road on my regular ride that has a grate embedded in it at the wrong orientation so that a road bike's tires would get caught in it. I saw it for the first time about ten feet in front of me going 30 mph (it's at the bottom of a steep hill). That's when I learned you can actually jump in a bike. I've been regularly complaining about this thing to the township for the 15 years since, to naturally no effect.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 hours ago

    I once crashed into a missing section of sidewalk going downhill pretty fast... one of the many reasons i try not to bike on the sidewalk any more, or go that fast. Even if the street with cars is not much better. And before anyone asks, yes i was wearing a helmet.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    I wear a helmet during my commute because after I'm hit by a car and launched from the hood, my head may hit the pavement and split open.

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  • [–] 3 points 22 hours ago* (1 child)

    I can’t remember the last time i fell off on my commute to work.

    I'm not worried about falling off. I'm worried about being murdered by the people in cars.

    But I agree there are times when a helmet isn't necessary. I don't wear a helmet on bike paths, when streets are closed, etc. - basically whenever there are no cars.

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