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[AIP] Haven discord alternative discussion on P2P / Mediasoup / LiveKit (github.com)
submitted 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) by to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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Keep P2P as the default for small rooms — that's most servers most of the time and the no-extra-infra story is genuinely valuable for self-hosters.

[I] went mediasoup, built into Haven, after all. The two things that pushed my plan above toward LiveKit are gone now. It runs on one port instead of a whole range, and it downloads a ready-made build instead of compiling anything.

While the code is a slop hodgepodge, Haven is currently the only Discord clone I have found that makes it easy to selfhost; no extra open port except 443 80, single docker container, no extra database.

Website: https://haven-app.com/

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[–] 11 points 3 hours ago (7 children)

I could rant about the slop but it's pointless because the developers of this didn't even understand why Discord alternatives never work out.

  • Bridging Discord without bots on Discord's side is against Discord ToS, so don't rely on that.
  • P2P is a great idea except it scares the hoes so you've cut 80% of your market off right there.
  • No federation so realistically everyone is gonna have to create and manage like 10 separate accounts for each of their friend groups, which even the most hardcore anti-Discord folks aren't going to bother with.

Also this is a promo post, however sneaky you try to make it. Tag appropriately.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 child)

    I did tag it?

    Edit: I’ve now added it to the title too, I guess some clients don’t support piefed’s tags

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

    Once i find a different discord clone thats this easy to selfhost I’ll switch to it immediately. Before commenting I’d urge you to try selfhosting the other clones its a mindfield of ports which scares me off tbh

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  • [–] 0 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

    Wtf is a mindfield

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 hours ago

    You make a point on federation but Haven does allow you to login using sso from your own server.

    I guess it’s also about what you need, for a small server for a 3-12 friends it works fine where alternatives are total overkill to selfhost.

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