This is and update on the php2shell vulnerability and a response to the blog post from https://lemmy.world/post/53441818 : https://eliastaylor.com/noexploit/

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[–] 6 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

No. Unattended upgrades are a nightmare in production. If you patch stuff manually or even with ansible, you can see what the hell broke during the upgrade. Whereas with unattended access you walk in Monday morning with half your systems down and no idea which update broke it.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago

    Unattended application to test. If it passes testing, unattended application to prod.

    I still wouldn't do this for any critical service, but for a "move fast and break things" system like Facebook where it goes down and nothing bad happens, sure.

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  • [–] 3 points 14 hours ago*

    For professionals and buisnesses, I see where you are coming from (although there is an argument to be made for prioritizing security over uptime whenever acceptable).

    But for selfhosting/private users? If I wake up one morning and my stuff is not working anymore, I can just roll back to the last good backup and then apply patches manually to see where it goes wrong. Way better to have some downtime when I don't notice (i.e. don't need the service) than having open vulnerabilities when a fix exists.

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  • [–] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

    Yeah, for businesses I can see that, but selfhosting, meh. I have just one personal server firewalled and Wireguarded, so the PHP vulnerability wasn't even publicly exposed. Even so, I have never had any issues with Debian's unattended security upgrades in the last 5 years.

    In enterprise environments with a hundred servers, though, you will want to do something else than I do. :)

    But even then, don't enterprises run a good WAF in front of their public web sites that would have received the patch automatically?

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